Discovery is the worst Star Trek so far. All of the over-the-top wannebe political correctness that governs our current day society has been stuck in just this one series. A woman in the lead role - fine with me. But why to give her a male name? So that we show that its fine to not be a woman or a man? And of course a gay relationship has to be part of the main story line. And a refuge that is fighting for his oppressed people. And a disturbed brother-sister relation. And augmentations to the body for - well, whatever reason. And body-shaming. And the challenges of not accepting your own body. And a relationship of a white woman with a alien husband, she went to live with him to his place, with a mixed DNA child not being accepted by society and then adopting another kid with....... oh my God, please, is it really all necessary to be stuck into the series in such an over the top way?? Season 2 at least does not have a lot of those fake Klingons anymore. That was the worst of all, even being untrue to the original Star Trek Klingons. I'm still watching the series, but I hope it will stop trying to be so extremely endless wannebe politically correct. At times its nauseating.
To be able to keep enjoying this show, I literally have to keep skipping the cringe dramatic scenes they have to fill in every 3 minutes, because they don't actually have enough budget to do proper Star Trek episodes. On season 4 currently and it's usually 15-20 minutes per episode that are worth watching.
This is one of those shows that I was willing to forgive a lot for, being a hard-core Trekkie! I could overlook the obvious SJW crap, I could overlook the lead character being pretty much totally unlikable, as much as I hated it I could even deal with white straight men being relegated to the trash heap of the future, but it's just not Star Trek.
The fact that Michael Burnham is totally insubordinate at pretty much all times would have her thrown out of Starfleet. Remember Ensign Ro from TNG? Well, Burnham is Ro times 100 and she gets a free pass.
That being said, season 1 was a really good non Star Trek sci-fi show.
Then season 2 hit and it was getting silly and even less Star Trek than before and even more SJW. I started to fizzle out. Then season 3 was so out of bounds that it didn't even qualify as good sci-fi any longer. It seems that the people in charge of Discovery are more interested in not just doing the Roddenberry firsts (first black lead, purported first interracial kiss - but that has since been debunked) by having the first gay characters in Trek, then the first trans character in Trek and the show became more about those things than being Trek and they took this wildly stupid ride into the far future to try to give some kind of sci-fi to prop up these other SJW things.
So, now it's Picard and I hope they don't destroy that too.
This thing is so bad, yet they keep producing it. They should be ashamed of the writing and the characters in this show. As a life-long Trekkie who watched the original when it aired, this is just unmitigated crap. The casting may be without a doubt the worst in Trek history. It's amazing how they've taken something as simple as episodic science fiction and turned it into a farce. Please, Paramount, spend the money elsewhere, I don't want anymore Trek if this is what we get. I can live off what I already own.
I rate this as a 3. Bad. I will change my mind, because this is incredible.
The first time watching, 8 to 9 seeped down to a 6.
I watch mediocre TV. Lots of Mediocre TV, i should enjoy this and be willing to suspend my disbelief. I have tens of thousands of hours of TV on trakt, and elsewhere, hundreds of scifi shows. This series is ... superlative garbage. I... hate this show. I shouldn't hate it, it's gorgeous and awesome and I ... hate this. I want to mildly be annoyed, or wishing it could do better, but i can't believe or make myself appreciate it and stop thinking about the stages it went through to become this bad and intolerable
As i started to deconstruct, things became apparent and awful, things i'd glimmered over, are dead ends, and immersive elements that are hit or miss when the story is good, detract from the pilot "movie" in catastrophic ways. Meddling is everywhere.
What ruins this show is not the acting, or the CGI, it's the story and the characters.
Then, it quickly dawned on me that this was a parody, because of one badly written Mary Sue of a character, Michael Burnham. Nothing about the show feels like it should exist when she is in the room, on screen or interacting with other people once you've seen Ep 2. As I watched, and become more disillusioned, the score dropped below a 5. i passed the point of tolerating the show's banality around the point of the second episode's flashbacks to Michael's upbringing and the "vulcan hello", because the character is integral, and damaged. but ultimately, you don't sympathise.
I can see what this was supposed to be, what it was, what it could have been. Burnham is a catalyst, as was Spock. But they overwrote the shit out of the character to get there, and it harms the entire fabric of the universe of the show to get to the point of where she is invulnerable and heroic, brave and stunning, awesome and likeable, charming and elfin, charismatic and effective, smart and capable, vulnerable and emotional, concerned and ruthless, etc.
Yes, we get it. Michael Burnham is a Disney Princess, along with Rey from Force Awakens and Padme from Episode 2, right ? There are action figures in the stores already, right ?
I will definitely keep watching because it's Star Trek, as this is supposed to be "The Original Series" prequel, No.
=FUCK THIS SHOW=
Everything about this show once you remove the billion dollars of money about to be poured into the franchise, is tepid. All the writers that have "polished" or dumbed things down, added a bit of pep or written out dialogue to make it more personable, more emotional, etc. are meddling with a concept that should not need this much work, to the extent that it's severely overwritten and layered insanity on top of insanity. Whatever was clever or good about the first, second or third draft is meaningless.
I don't even need to put a benchmark on this, because they have an android, wearing a Daft Punk Helmet, who is a woman. WHY ? Every answer i've seen to this flatly refuses to point to this character, perhaps because they have no names.
They are expendable, forgettable placeholders. Great.
Here's what I've created for a backstory, because it makes no difference whatsoever ... The Android probably has a tragic orphan backstory where her parents were a windows 10 desktop that suddenly died as a result of installing CCleaner and she was brought up all alone, and grew up on Earth as a triple-monitor desktop, answering search queries for Bing, and in 2120, decided to get a human body, and then in 2210 travelled the stars as a ship's computer, got into a relationship with their captain, which ended badly, had a sex change, hung out with her new friends on vulcan who preferred her as a vertical monitor setup ... and here she is, a highly decorated veteran ship's computer, a valued member of the crew of a starship, adorning a helmet with her vertical monitors showing her proud heritage of being a unique individual who knows who she is ... Oh, and she can also travel through time, her father is secretly Harry Potter, and she can wear earrings and smoke, because she's cool like that too, and, because it's the future, smoking is totally safe because of magic, er nanobots. and also, she's an android so she doesn't have to worry about being a slut, so she's had sex with like, all the cute alien boys and...
etc.
Why are there people with flashing headwear, why is there an android/robot on the crew, interfaces do nothing, or have standard controls. Why does the captain ask for things she knows don't exist. Is it because the crew wants Burnham to die ? I'd believe that. Part of me knows it's a writer's device to show empathy for the Protag when she's in danger, by being so concerned she's desperate for a different answer so she can feel she tried to help as much as possible.
And then there's the video-game holograms and tactical eye-tracking interfaces that don't do anything, that lack cohesion or thought or practical elements from a design POV.
Until i can get past the idea that this is a terribly overblown Fan Fiction like My Immortal or Warcraft the Movie, I keep hitting dead ends where i want to be positive and give it consideration unduly, or see what other people do like about it.
But I can't.
My brain keeps rejecting the writing, the dialogue,
the character motivations are garbage,
the names are irrelevant,
The design of visual elements is distilled failure.
The technical design is fantastic levels of failed design methodology and concept.
world building is broken at a fundamental level because there's no coherence within the established universe or themes, no bridging characters or elements exist other than ... there's phasers and communicators and the logo is the same.
the thematic elements of the "New" federation values,
the sudden expendability of a bridge officer versus a starship with armor and radiation shielding. or a shuttle. or a probe. On a science ship, i guess ? because I tend to trust the instinct of a naval commander that likes to jump on a jetski and "git er dun" to fix problems or investigate an anomaly in the wake of a sun's extreme radiation.
The fact that nobody countermands or prohibits "Michael" as an officer is ... problematic. To let someone with a deathwish be in command, let alone the captain's favourite, the crew must want her dead. This is the only explanation i've been able to conceive of that works here, and it makes the show better if you imagine that the only member of the crew wanting to keep her alive is the computer which is obliged by ethical routines it can't ignore, and the captain, who admires a brattish psychopath who would definitely murder everyone on the crew to prove a point. The speculation of a lesbian relationship is not dismissable, but it's trite and convenient, so there's a strong possibility it actually exists or was muted at some stage.
So, naturally, this is what makes good captains in the future. Ambition, Pride and bare metal confidence in being correct, brown-nosing up to people in higher command, and latent psychotic tendencies. FANTASTIC This, in spite of the Mary Sue elements of an orphaned girl, who is Spock's adopted sister, who has a secret vulcan power of telepathy, and has to be the best person of all time when she's in the room and is always the best; because she's a girl ! with issues! and she wants to help everyone by killing! Just put a fucking light saber in her hand and call her Rey.
I have zero compassion or sympathy because everyone who deals with this level of insanity and tolerates her deserves to die. Gifted isn't the right word, it's Magical thinking that makes this show awesome. By sharp comparison, this makes Enterprise better, and makes the rest of Star Trek worse.
This is sort of the Wookie Defense in a nutshell. If you can accept that there's a reason for this, or you didn't notice, or you did, and have no problems, fuck you. I don't have any strong feelings whatsoever on the Klingons as a threat or as a character, or as a race or culture, because, it is so poorly done in theme that it's obviously a "hook" designed to reel you in.
I don't even trust the hook, the reel, the fish, the fisherman, the concept is bankrupted by the script and design that went into this. I expect this from zombie movies, or first time directors, or reality TV shows, where you don't need a backstory.
Vin Diesel needs to race a car to steal a bank vault, f yeah, lets go with it.
Naval Pilot decides to learn to ice skate because he has cancer, then starts a nuclear war with Iceland, okay, maybe not.
First officer decides to jetpack into a radiation hazard, kills someone, then to hide the evidence, wants to kill the entire ship of people to stop them from becoming martyrs when they find the body, and then decides to attack anyway when everyone around her says no.
Classy. Top Notch Entertainment. 9/10 Excitement and Thrills.
Life Long Star Trek fan here,... and I'm done with this rubbish, This has gone full Woke, PC-Culture. And what is with the virtually None Caucasian cast?... Plus, the only TRUE Starfleet actors are PIKE & SARU, to which I'd be proud to have them as ambassadors for Humanity.
Hot Dang! Give me more Star Trek.
It feels like the producers want to annoy the Trekkie as much as they can with Voyager-era beeping sounds, trials without a lawyer (Starfleet ISN'T military!!!), a completely different Sarek...
Besides from the canon errors, which I have finally been able to overlook since episode two, the main character herself isn't one that "fits" into Star Trek. I only talk about the role, not the actress.
I just don't like Michael. She is self-righteous, calls daddy when her ship is in danger, she isn't loyal... In short, she misses any part of personality a Starfleet officer should have.
She's got a problem with herself and it is absolutely unrealistic she would be an officer anywhere.
Update time!
The text above was from Oct 17.
Now it's Jan 23.
Aaaand: I was right: She wasn't welcomed on the Discovery because she's a great Officer, she just accidentally happened to be this universe's counterpart of someone Mirror Lorca needed to become Emperor.
So it's official: We've got Star Trek with an incapable main character.
Oh yeah, as presumed, she's messed up like 97% of her tasks in the meantime.
Not without it's faults; but resoundingly 'Star Trek' - great story, great acting, absolutely stunning visual effects - welcome back, Star Trek!
Much better than expected. The first 3 episodes have been great!!
Update: I'm done with it at episode 5... it's all about one person (Michael) and her dull and boring battle with everybody every week. Why are the Klingons so ugly? What was wrong with the original ones?
The level of emotional exploration in this is horrendous. There's 10 min of action and the rest is just sensitivity and caring. There's a place for that as part of the show. not as the entire show. Very hard to endure
Gets worse with every episode.
Oh no, attackers with swords, whatever should we do? What do our feeling tell us, logic is so yesterday.
The writing is pathetic and ridiculously immature.
I am doggedly watching the whole season (down to the last two episodes) because I've always been a Star Trek fan and because I love Jason Isaacs and will watch him in anything. Except I can barely force myself to keep going. First of all, it's not really a Star Trek series. As others have pointed out, Star Trek is optimistic. This is dark, and violent and filled with war and torture. I find myself going to the kitchen frequently to avoid having my stomach turned. I have never seen a TV show so filled with screaming, killing, and despair.
I will watch these last two episodes just to say I finished it, but I can't imagine paying to see the next season unless I read that it takes a turn in a different direction.
I’m extremely disappointed :cry:
I really enjoyed the first two seasons, which led me to rate it 9 out of 10. But, wait what happened to the subsequent seasons of 3 and 4?
Season 3 definitely took a noticeable nose dive, however it was still reasonable to watch, believing it was leading up to what we’d expected in the first two seasons.
Season 4…wow, what an utter s**t show! I’m unbelievably bored and even worse…insulted with their slow and basic storylines of morality. Spelling everything out to us as though we are preschool children, then ending each episode with a speech to summarise the lesson of the show.
To make it worse, it’s changed from an exciting science fiction, fantasy show in to a relationship drama. Why do we have to hear in such detail from every character regarding how they feel and why they did what they chose to do, followed by tears or drawn out depressing scenes.
Do the current writers of the show need a long break or counselling? Or are they trying to make their viewers deeply depressed.
I suspect Sonequa Martin-Green is pregnant again and I wish her all the best, however the show shouldn’t be taking it easy to accommodate her personal situation. I’m sure they could continue with the speed of action in seasons 1 and 2, bringing forward other characters to fill in whilst the Commander of the Discovery takes a back seat. I may be wrong, but I can’t think of anything else that would effect the show as much.
I’m on S04 E08 and I don’t even want to watch it.
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Enjoyable but so far it's hard to overlook it's flaws . My main gripes - Too much lens flare and shaky cam . And for taking place before TOS , the technology is sure advanced . Instead of making things fittingly primitive they went whole hog on the tech to show off the special effects . I didn't expect TOS grade special effects , I did expect a fusion of old tech with upgraded effects , what we ended up with is a shockingly unbelievable level of technology paired with movie grade special effects . Don't even get me started on the changes to the Klingons .
stopped watching after season 2, the sjw and woke crap went to 11 and there is almost no star trek in this show anymore, no expiration, no new aliens, no adventure, just sjw crap and emotions... skip season 3 and 4.. and I hope this series gets killed off and the writers fired.
talk talk talk... this show is touchy feely talk. It is boring as hell after season one
2 Words: The Orville. done.
100% trash show. I love Star Trek. This isn't Star Trek. This is Drama Trek. Who are the people that are enjoying this hot mess?
What a waste of my precious time on this planet to spend watching this horrible show.
I hate this show.
If it weren't Star Trek, it would still be an objectively terrible show.
The acting is over-the-top. the characters are not developed, the plot makes no sense, the characters behave in unrelatable ways, it consistently ignores reality/physics, and the CGI is just too damn much.
What do you get when you mix Sci-fi with soap opera? Star trek discovery. You might puke from emotional sketches while watching this. But sci-fi part of it is kind of okay.
What the f*** is up with Section 31?
In ST:DS9 their mere existence was a very well kept secret. Yet here we are decades before where everyone seems not only of their existence, but also about their missions.
Not even mentioning their AI System, which kept and analysed Data for the Admiralty aiding their decision making.
I will get really angry if the staff of this show keeps mentioning the word canon. They blatantly disregard it every turn - canon-wise this Season is even worse than the one before.
It's still an entertaining show, but they really should rebrand it as something other than Star Trek as it clearly ain't anymore. It's some random Sci-Fi Show using the trademark...
The universe full of a holes. Star trek a la Game of Thrones. Dune ripoff. If the action was placed after Voyager everything would be okay, especially Klingon mutants. Excellent stunning effects and CGI but story and characters are catastrophic. No imagination. I love Star Trek but this is terribly bad.
You couldn't pay me to recommend this God Awful, Hot-Garbage to anyone.
I’ve enjoyed all previous incarnations of Star Trek, but not this one. Rather than concentrating on a decent storyline, it’s a flagship series promoting 2020 diversity. Considering this series is set a few hundred years into the future, I’d hope 2020 diversity issues are overcome and we’d see more human/alien or human/robot or even human/animal relationships.
Please, kill this show.
While first two seasons were watchable and even entertaining, the third went downhill after first few episodes. Aaaand here comes the fourth season and I'm still unable to determine which character i hate most.
Please, let this be the last season so we can all quickly forget about this show and hope for something new and worthy of the Trek series.
Had to dramatically reduce my rating based on the new season.
Apparently, there are no adults at Star Fleet anymore., Can't they hire some mature adults to write the dialog so the crew doesn't spend all episode whining about they're feelings and instead roll-up their sleeves and get some work done like every mature adult in existence.
Season one wasn't too bad. However, there's no Star Trek feel to it whatsoever. Not sure the producers ever watched a Star Trek series or movie. This is just a slow soap opera set in space. It's getting worse every year. Sad.
There's nothing better than good sci fi.
There's nothing worse than bad sci fi.
This is most certainly the second one.
Three episodes aired and already there is lots of discussion. People hate it, people love it. Remember TNG ? ;-)
75%, 73%, 68%.............57%
Oh dear, says it all really. Season 4 really is steaming cow dung.
i give up . i have to skip forward too much to avoid uncomfortable scenes . this is not scifi
oh well Michael, the Rey of Star Trek.
Fails to capture most of the things Star Trek was really about.
So war breaks out with the Klingons. A POW becomes head of security but his PTSD is so bad he winds up in the fetal position when he sees a Klingon and he's the only straight guy in the show, other than that it's women and sissies against the Klingons. Live long and be fabulous lol.
the show is literally going where no MAN has gone before.
because apparently an all female Star Trek is what was needed
it started so well, going a little downhill with season 3, but season 4 really turned it into a shit show and total waste of time. nothing more to add
well, maybe one more thing to add: i still can get over the ridiculous special effects with cheap pattern flame bursts on the bridge when the ship takes a hit ... i mean, seriously?!
very feminist, now every thief are women, the "captain" what can I say... pffff
By season 4 the show should be renamed to Star Trek Discovering Feeling “TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE..." because the show takes a major down hill turn towards taking about everyone’s feeling.
While I gave it the benefit of the doubt there's way too many things wrong here. Not only as part of a franchise with a history, but all on its own.
Reasons this show is not a good Star Trek series.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxzdl4FGjlL1NfG-qVY4XJldlywQMrLmJ
They should have called it: As the World Turns "boldly go where no emotion has gone before"
They lost it.
When this show started I was full of expectations and it started off great! I mean, it wasn't like the old shows, but it was a nice new take on Star Trek. Season 1 was amazing - new ship, new travel tech, new crew . Crew working on the bridge and another working in engineering, just like it should be. The season 2 came along and focus shifted to a few individuals. Now season 3 I don't know what happened?! Full focus on Burnham and Saru and lost the focus on teamwork, space travel and exploration which is the core of Star Trek. Right now I'm watching season 3 and I feel so disappointed, this has turned into some boring drama that doesn't even have enough space-travel to call it sci-fi, even less Star Trek.
It started off okay, apart from the “Klingorcs”. Where the fuck did they come from?
Sadly, it gets worse as the series continues. Star Trek has always tackled social issues, which was great and tried to show us how we as the human race could be. But, fuck me. We must be in a truly awful fucking place if we’re to follow the same logic.
The franchise has always seemed to inspire the more nerdy of us to invent wonderful things such as touch sensitive screens, tablets, mobile phones, WiFi and virtual assistants. The only thing I fear this shit will inspire is the inexplicable and totally unnecessary use of FUCKING WHISPERING.
I can only hope that Discovery does a “Dallas” in the next series (please make it the last) and we find out that all which has gone before was nothing but one of Burnham’s recurrent nightmares, caused by some form of trauma, for which she seeks help from Dr. Culber in 10 weekly appointments.
A confusing and rather poor and repetitive first series blossoms (well, a little) in the second. But the third and the fourth, set in the Federation's future, make the trawl worthwhile,
I recommend to stop after season 2. Its not getting better...
Michael Jackson is the worst actress of the world. That stone face... meee
Finally finished the last remaining two episodes of season 3 and guess who won't be returning in this season 4..
This guy :raised_hand:
Totally sucks. Focuses on the black woman WAY to much!!! Takes away from all other Star Trek series by downplaying them in my opinion. I agree with other commenters, should not be a Star Trek show, but just another Sci-Fi show.
I'm losing interest with every season.
It's like season 1 ok
Season 2 meh
Season 3 why even bother,beside i hate Sonequa over acting, it's becoming unbearable to watch.i don't see this going to season 4,i just hope they give it a decent wrap.
This is not classic Star Trek. It seems they are going for a modern retelling trying to get new people interested, but they put it behind a pay wall in the US that will most likely turn away new people who might be interested. Overall, it is more in line with reboot Trek, but not as good so far. Currently at episode 5 and that episode they used the F-Word twice, but it felt forced. Like they were trying to be hip and cool, but it just felt lame. Already has had more blood & violence than I am used to with a Star Trek show. So far, I am not liking the military approach this show seems to be taking, but I am hoping it gets better later. This would be fine as a new Sci-Fi show, but does not feel like Star Trek. The Orville feels more like classic Star Trek than this show, but is in its own Sci-Fi world. If you are looking for something more like classic Star Trek, I recommend The Orville, if you are looking for something with more action and violence, then this show would be good for you.
The production value is incredible. It's fun to watch this show just to see the eye candy. Otherwise, this Star Trek has been a let down.
This is definitely a fantasy show. The understanding of science isn't here. The "what if" scenarios that make scifi such an amazing genre are also mostly absent. Instead Discovery leans toward futuristic action drama and doesn't pull it off very well. Also, it seems like there weren't many script notes from anyone who bothered to watch previous Star Treks. I'm no super fan, but the speed of warp and size of the galaxy are meaningless. Medical, technical, and every other science in Discovery's pre-original-Star-Trek era have inexplicably advanced beyond levels seen in Voyager. There are just too many serious science goofs and eyeroll worthy Trek errors. Please, writers, get assistance.
I'm happy to see this level of investment in the series. I hope we see a return to what we all loved about the it, a bit more attention to science and dreams of what could be.
Complete waste of time for any star trek fan.
Barely OK as a standalone series.
While some character development does happen over course of the series, all of it amounts to literaly nothing universe-wise.
Diologues are written with the stick instead of pen.
Sorry but while the first 2 season were 9-10 rated material...most of season 3 was NOT. TBH the writers were lost after anticipating limited 2 season run in paid TV channel realms. LOL - I suspect the show literally ran out of licensed rights to add to Star Trek franchise world events after season 2 and they never planned anything for season 3 in advance of renewal.
So season 3 was maybe 6.5 average with a few much better episodes in balance against a lot of weak "standard" stories simply set in a Trek background). Not too bad for rushed writers probably finishing scripts while the episode starts filming - but not prize material since nothing written can be rejected or revised.
Season 4 is uncertain to me as to whether they are slowly getting their act together and building overall plot with slow suspense...or if they are slowly drowning. Crossing my fingers. So far stories are a notch better (6.5-7 rating) than season 3 beginnings.
The effects on the bridge when they are under attack are pathetic and reminds me of a cheap game show. Endless sparks and now timed gas supplied flames from various places on the bridge activating in sequence.
Haters gonna hate but this was incredible.
Star Trek has always been idealist. People complaining about that can't accept what Star Trek is.
Discover takes us on more of an inner journey, hence it is told through the lens of a main character, rather than mostly the captain as with previous Star Trek series.
It is by far the most moving and while it's true that it's feel differs to old Star Trek it is very meaningful.
On top of this, it looks great, and the acting is pretty good too, considering the format, which isn't one of absolute realism.
I think some people have a problem whereby they prescribe what Star Trek 'is' or 'should be' but that sort of retro thinking is exactly what Star Trek has always, ideologically, been about challenging.
This show is more Star Trek than ToS, and all the slimy dorks crying about SJWs would have done the same in 1966 when Roddenberry had the audacity to put a black woman on the bridge as an officer.
The Klingons look and sound like a mutant fish race not a race of warriors, if you discount that and and suspend your disbelief over the advanced tech it's pretty good
Oh yay... Star Trek WOKEovery is back for season 5 :( Lets see how bad they make this season..
But whatever happened to making interesting standalone episodes?
While the show is good and visually stunning. It is a little too melodramatic and takes itself too seriously.
Really. I did gave this one a try 3 times. I can "survive" S01 and S02 but it gets unwatchable with S03 ...
First season was fantastic and I think show would be much better off if it continued on that trajectory. Unfortunately, some fans weren't happy and nitpicked it to death as every episode came out without waiting for the whole story. It was genuinely fresh, intriguing and exciting.
Showrunners changed and second season seemed like U turn designed primarily around backtracking on everything those fans from first season didn't like (shade of The Rise of Skywalker). Little did they know there's no satisfying those fans, so they satisfied close to no one (or at least very few people). Also, let's never forget penultimate episode of the season where they decided to fill whole runtime with only the worst parts of the show. At least we got Pike, which is only reason to suffer through this season.
Third season started out fantastic, first few episodes it seems they are setting up a really compelling world (or time I should say) and compelling story, with new, stoic Burnham, but then they just rush through plot points and Burnham regresses to her usual whiny self. Mixed bag, but better looking than any other SF (movie or series) with some interesting stuff.
Unfortunately (or is it?), then they decided to launch Paramount+ or whatever it is and left us in europe without legal way to watch, and it's not that good that I go through trouble of finding it through alternative sources.
Finally cancelled, it was garbage, terrible writing, unlikeable characters, no-one watched it, no-one liked it, no-one cared. Good riddance.
Around the same time that this series debuted, a Star Trek parody THE ORVILLE came out. It had all the humour (via Seth MacFarlane) but none of the gravity. DISCOVERY was the bleak opposite. It had all the gravity but none of the humour. At the time, I preferred THE ORVILLE and, although I felt the series started strong (see my initial review), I gradually lost interest in it. But, recently, I decided to take another swing at DISCOVERY and binged all its 4 seasons to date. Although the show tried to swing a little less dark in its later seasons, this time, I was able to connect with its story arcs, its characters and its quality of production. (I will always be won over by relationships and good working ensembles and I would say these are the strengths of this series). It was an enjoyable 3 and a half day binge. I give this series a 7 (good) out of 10. [SciFi Legacy]
STAR TREK: MICHAEL BURNHAM is best, when it‘s about the whole crew and originally star treky. Mostly it‘s about Michael Burnham and her personal stories overlap the interesting social matters, that are only sratched, but examined.
I really hope season 3 won't be another 15 episode of depression...
Been watching star trek for years and to be honest, I actually like this style of reboot. Season two is also great.
I'm not much of a Trekkie, which is probably why I kinda like it.
Black Alert!... It took a couple episodes, but I really like now.
Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck...
I do like the show, but it's not Star Trek. If this was just a new sci-fi show that existed in its own universe, it would be incredible. However, the fact that they've tried to pass this off as Star Trek when it's clearly not sullies the experience.
If it wasn't already apparent, Paramount and CBS have no idea what made Star Trek great, and don't care either. The simple explanation is that the world of Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic; this is pessimistic. And I do enjoy pessimistic sci-fi, but there's so much of it, and to see one of the few optimistic sci-fi worlds turned into something pessimistic is a shame.
Fortunately, we now have The Orville, which is doing Star Trek better than anything has since Voyager ended in 2001.
The show is supposed to take place between Enterprise and TOS, but the technology is very different. For example, there are holograms everywhere. Why try to do a prequel again? Why not set this after Voyager? That would make a lot more sense, and they'd be able to add whatever technology they like, and not be constrained by existing continuity. Fortunately, it's not too late for the showrunners to say "hey, we made a mistake, this actually takes place X years after Voyager".
Last, they fucked up the Klingons. For almost 25 years, they had the look of the Klingons figured out perfectly. They're iconic. But this show (and the reboot movies) messed them up and made them look like generic sci-fi bad guys. What happened to their hair and beards? Also, the costumes are ridiculous, and their ship interiors look like they're made of coral. I do like the idea of having an albino Klingon though.
And I applaud their desire to use the Klingon language on the show, but it's pretty annoying having every Klingon scene subtitled. The previous shows used a common sci-fi conceit: the actors speak a language that the audience understands, but it's accepted that they're really speaking a different language. The viewer effectively has a universal translator so they can understand what's being said.
Also, it looks nothing like Star Trek. Once again, The Orville got that right, and this didn't.
All of that said, I do like the show. The characters are interesting (especially Doug Jones), I've enjoyed each episode, and I think the storyline is pretty interesting. But goddamn it, why did they have to try to make this Star Trek when it's not?
So far it's pretty bad... ( the Last episode I watched is #5)...
According to Trakt, this show has 9 episodes, and so far nothing important or interesting happens. There is no actual overarching plot so far. While this was true for the first season of the Expanse too. That many different seemingly unconnected plot threads only connected at the end of the season for a big climax, here there are no multiple plot threads to connect.
The Discovery discovered mushroom magic propulsion technology which allows them to teleport their ship where they want. This is the crux of the plot so far. There is a war with the Klingons and the Discovery is the only ship equipped with the magic mushroom drive. And that's it...
This is not helped at all by how unbelievable the main character is written. She is a rebel in a military organization that constantly disobeys direct orders. Cpt Picard or Cpt Sisko would have kicked her out from their ship\starbase right away.
Klingons are one-dimensional villains who have only one mode 'Kill Enemies'. For some reason, they also don't want to 'culturally appropriate' the Klingon language so this results in tedious extremely long scenes where Klingon characters speak only Klingon. This happens in Game of Thrones too when they speak Valyrian, but the scenes are never as long or tedious as the Klingon speaking scenes in Discovery...
Also, normally I don't care about things like this, but it seems the show went out of its way to cast as little white men as possible. As I said, this is not something I would usually care about, but it's so comically obvious that it's disturbing. It's like they are living in a world where there was a plague that killed 90% of the staight male population...
I have never seen series with such a lot of useless and unneeded speech on feelings. Looks like they are low on budget and try to fill all the emptiness with blallalabla I feel this I feel that
Fingers crossed this gets cancelled in 2020. This isn't Trek.
I like the characters a lot (so far) but maybe most of them are a little bit too young for be in a position like the first officer. But the captain is great. I don't like it that they changed the look of the klingons and the fact that the show is based before TOS.
I will rate the show after i saw the full first season. But i wish the show the best even i don't agree with some of the decisions they made (Klingons, age of the characters and the fact that it's not based after Voyager).
Really disappointed with this show and it's direction. So so sick of the cw Love story crap. It makes no sense and takes away from the story.
Please, someone save us from this epic failure of a show which seems hell bent to drag Gene Roddenberry's legacy further into the ground. How dare they even associate this garbage with Star Trek let alone quote him at the end of an episode.
What a load of old shit!!! THE LEAD ACTRESS OF WHO WAS IN THE WALKING DEAD IS A ZOMBIE IN STAR TREK. THE ACTIMG IS DRY, BORING SCRIPT, DIRECTION IS AWFUL. THE KLINGONS!! THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT..THIS IS NOT SET PRE SPACE??
Over emotional. Stop frowning and tell me a story... without dragging it out.
No white straight males in a position of power... or at all come to think of it.
What is wrong with you over the top woke people? Star Trek was one of the most inclusive shows out there, you had to go too far and ruined it.
Why this even has the name Star Trek is beyond me. Watched the complete season 1, no exploring or positive vibes at all. I will recomend any true trekkie to avoid this like the plague :cry:
The worst Star Trek thing ever made.
They traded acting skills and suspense and credible world-building for woke nonsense and diversity and the outcome is a dark, cringy nightmare made by people who got no idea what Star Trek actually is and who dont give a damn either.
The worst.
Is it me, or does the writing and acting on this show get worse each week?
This season :ocean: becomes more boring and preachy with each episode.
Awesome reboot / restart of the series. That ending was amazing. Can’t wait for season 2.
Jury's still out on this one. The first two episodes were utter crap. SJW characters, unbelievably weak Klingons and a lame story based on bad lens flare during space battles. I almost stopped watching. Third episode, the story takes a hard turn towards something dark, introduces a whole new cast (well, with a couple of exceptions) and does all this while resembling Star Trek.
Seriously, skip the first two episodes and start with Context Is for Kings. You'll thank me.
It is StarTrek and it is great! I dont care about the realism of explosions in space or the sound of lasers. It has action, it has drama, it has Klingons! The captain is not Janeway and not Archer, the vulcan is not Spock and there is no Scotty. But it has the right look and feel and is really fun to watch. I hope it will run for a few seasons.
I am excited for this new series after seeing the first two episodes. The graphics are spectacular, the story is compelling, the characters have depth and are well articulated, the acting is superb (Sonequia Martin- Green is a stand out performer, and Michelle Yeoh always brings gravitas and excellence). I give it a 9 (superb) out of 10, fully expecting it to reach a 10 (a favourite) very, very soon. [SciFi, Adventure, Drama, Wit]
Hug Trek - Lots of Hugging and No Trekking!
Is it me or all new characters from season 2 are so much better than any of those of season 1? Pike elevates every scene he´s in. By contrast Tilly just plunges everything into the abyss.
Nowhere near with any of the previous series, feels lile it was made for teens. Enjoyable, but meh..
This show sucks I've tried to watch this tripe.
After 6 episodes I still have to process the different format to previous Star Trek shows. It's a bigger challenge to get familiar with the crew in general, for example. We get to know their relation and standing to Michael, but barely know anything about them, their skills etc.
Otherwise the established setting looks interesting, though I feel that it didn't really take off yet. Which isn't uncommon for a first season.
Well, I have just watched the first two episodes of ST:D and frankly - I LIKE IT. I think this is going to shape up to be the best ST series since the original. I like the concepts and the storyline that has opened the show. The opening storyline gives some idea of where the idea of the USS Discovery's architecture stems from, however, we don't know yet - more than likely over the next couple of episodes...
Hey Trekkers!
If something, the Universe created by Gene Roddenberry is one of united diversity. I've been watching Startrek for 53 years and my humble opinion: Discovery definitely is in accordance to Startrek's philosophy and heritage. I do miss me old captain's charismatic presence though. But what do I know! I'm only a doctor damn it!
Cheers to all and long live Startrek.
Damn Culber was on the rag this episode.
The title needs to be updated to Star Trek: Discovering Woke. Starts out great but takes a massive nose dive towards the Woke universe. Watch 1st & maybe 2nd season after that this show basically becomes a high budget CW show.
THIS SHOW IS PHENOMENAL A TRUE MASTERPIECE AND THE BEST STAR TREK EVER CREATED AND DEFINITELY ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS EVER CREATED.
EVERY SINGLE EPISODE IS WOW....WOW & WOW AGAIN. IT'S FRICKIN AWESOME AMAZING
AND AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO ENJOY THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS
STAR TREK DISCOVERY
I THINK MYSELF SO LUCKY I OWN THIS SPECIAL SPECIAL SHOW ON BLU RAY BOXSET
SEASON 1-4
this needs to be enjoyed over and over
and over again.
it's just that damn good, I'm in total Awe
from start to finish.
please let their be 7 seasons and more Please.
Hella Yeah
10+/10
Shout by davide davideBlockedParent2021-01-02T23:11:00Z
This show should be cancelled, and erased from memory ! Star Trek should be star trek and not a woke brainwash with bad actors and worse storyline!