Brilliant continuation of the saga and a wonderful twist on a familiar story! Great acting from all involved especially Benedict Cumberbatch and Karl Urban!
The presence of khan felt forced. And it added nothing to the story. Everything khan should have been left out.
[6.7/10] There’s a lot that I admire about Star Trek Into Darkness. It’s wrapped up in character and theme: Kirk learning the importance of playing by the rules and Spock learning when the bonds of friendship means breaking it. It laudably tries to speak to political and societal issues just like The Original Series once did. It offers some stellar set pieces, includes some endearing exchanges, and services the whole Enterprise crew quite well.
But it’s also a mess, something which becomes apparent the longer the movie wears on (and boy does it wear on). It jumbles those arcs and themes in a geomagnetic storm of confused plot points and overstuffed action sequences. It taints the timely notions of not losing our principles despite unprecedented threats by dabbling in 9/11 Trutherism. It even indulges in what is, in hindsight, an unfortunate recurring trend in director J.J. Abrams’s filmography, where his movies reveal some secret identity for one of the major players that matters to the audience but not to, you know, anyone actually in the story.
Resolving the good and the bad here becomes difficult. If you stopped this movie at around the two-thirds mark, roughly where Spock engages in his fancy torpedo ruse to doublecross Khan, Into Darkness would be a flawed but still quality film. But from that point on, it becomes utterly exhausting, filled to the brim with unnecessary fireworks and fistfights, contorted and awkward wholesale references to Wrath of Khan, and games of take-backsies which neuter the dramatic sacrifices and concomitant lessons that are supposed to emerge from them. The most grievous insult you can level at this movie is that the longer it goes, the worst it gets.
That’s a shame, because it starts so strong! The opening sequence is like an episode of The Original Series in miniature. The return and demise of Captain Pike is powerful (and Bruce Greenwood once again commands the frame with minimal screen time). The setup of philosophical and personal conflicts between Kirk and Spock is another strength carried over from the last Star Trek film, and the initial hints of one of Starfleet’s own turning on the organization with devastating effects sets things up for a great adventure.
Into Darkness just cannot live up to that promise. There’s still plenty of great moments and scenes after those points. Say what you will about Abrams and his hit-or-miss collaborators like Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman, and Damon Lindelof, but the group knows how to bounce characters off of one another amid potent themes, even if they can’t quite nail any of it down.
While some have more to do than others, pretty much every member of the crew gets time to shine, from Scotty’s principled stand, to Uhura standing up to the Klingons, to Sulu’s time in the captain’s chair, to Chekov’s filling in as chief engineer, to Bones’s usual grumpy wit. Even when the movie’s narrative is falling apart or suffering from yet another overblown action scene, it’s just fun to spend time with these characters, which buoys the film’s weaker moments.
Sadly, the same can’t be said for the film’s new legacy characters. Into Darkness includes dramatic reveals that the two new denizens of the Enterprise are Khan Noonien Singh and Carol Marcus, names that mean nothing to anyone in the audience who hasn’t seen Wrath of Khan and which mean nothing to the movie’s characters since, you know, they haven’t seen that film either. At least with Marcus, there’s some in-universe significance to her hidden identity given that she’s the progeny of the thirty-seventh villainous admiral in Trek history, but she has next to nothing in common with her Star Trek II counterpart, making the in-name-only addition a head-scratcher.
Likewise, Khan is a complete misfire here. Separate and apart from the whitewashing of the character, which is its own meta-problem with the film, he’s just a dull bad guy. His motivations are jumbled in J.J.’s latest mystery box and twist-generating machine, rendering him little more than the latest undifferentiated bland blockbuster badass. Benedict Cumberbatch gives a weak performance, one that’s overly bombastic but lacking the human element behind all the theatrical mustache-twirling. Without the connection to a different, better movie, he would be totally forgettable.
The saving grace on that front is Peter Weller as Admiral Marcus, the morally compromised Starfleet leader who wants to turn this group of peaceful explorers into an unstoppable military force. Weller, who made his franchise bones with a great turn on Star Trek: Enterprise (an impressive feat in and of itself), carries the gravitas, conviction, and shitheel qualities to make a good villain and avatar for how Starfleet has lost its way. He gets lost in the narrative soup that is Khan’s array of schemes and eventually take over as the movie’s big bad, but he’s a better vessel for Into Darkness’s themes than Khan, who’s really only a vessel for unfortunate Trutherism and/or games of “Hey, remember Wrath of Khan.
It’s a shame, because the movie plays with some good ideas, even as they get mangled in the beaucoup crashes and explosions and bouts of hand-to-hand combat. After roughly the opening act, the movie all but loses any downtime for the characters to reflect on what’s happened or what’s happening, instead just resorting to bang-bang-bang arrays of well-done but over-quota’d action set pieces. Some of these are memorable -- particularly the Enterprise plummet below the clouds only to rise back up triumphantly -- but most of them become static when stacked on top of one another.
That avalanche of images of death and destruction are part and parcel with Into Darkness’s examination of the wounded psyche of post-9/11 America. Abrams and company posit a once-noble body, believing that a war of civilizations is inevitable, and turning away from peaceful ideals in favor of arms races, provocations, and the equivalent of preemptive strikes. Abrams and company aren’t subtle about these concepts or the damage they see in them, but the Federation makes for a good stalking horse to explore them nonetheless. From 1966 onward, Star Trek has long been a sci-fi vessel for social and political commentary, and it’s nice to see that legacy upheld.
Moreover, before the film sinks in a sea of homages and explosions, it roots those ideas in character. Pike essentially outlines Kirk’s arc here, going from believing that the rules don’t apply to him and being ready to take reckless risks, to recognizing the utility of those guardrails and seeing how his risk-taking can harm other people. Spock, once again, has an equal and opposite journey, beginning with his expected Vulcan detachment and rule-bound honesty, to learning how to bend the rules when necessary and, more importantly, how the bonds of friendship can rightly affect your decision-making, even as a commander. As with so much in Into Darkness, those character stories get mixed up at various points, as the film as a whole gets more disjointed, but there’s strong throughlines for both characters.
The one unmitigated positive this movie draws from its Ricardo Montalban-starring predecessor is notions of the value of life and the hollowness of retribution. From Spock and Kirk trading “I saved your life” moments, to Khan being driven by trying to preserve the lives of his fellow frozen augments, to Kirk offering himself up to the Admiral in order to spare his crew, there’s an acknowledgment that the costs here are not a mere “bloody nose.” In a franchise known for disposable redshirts, the importance of saving your friends, even if it means a personal sacrifice, is true to the broader spirit of Star Trek.
In the same way, Into Darkness treats revenge as a futile and harmful goal. Kirk wants to honor the memory of his murdered surrogate father by taking out his killer, only to realize that the better tribute is to live up to his, and Starfleet’s, ideals. Spock turns furious upon the (very temporary) death of his best friend, wanting vengeance on Khan only to learn that restraining his anger and keeping the dastard alive is the only way to save that friend. Hell, in keeping with the sociopolitical themes, there’s an argument that Admiral Marcus wants revenge on the Klingons for their past actions, representing the idea that efforts in that direction destabilize us and make us lose the people we are and hoped to be.
That’s all commendable, complex material. In a more streamlined film, one less beholden to and reliant upon other entries in the franchise, it could shine and bolster another stirring space adventure. Instead, those powerful notions are just hidden gems in a thicket of questionable choices, which only grow in duration and density and obscure more of the movie’s praise-worthy qualities as the viewer gets closer to the end credits. There’s still so much to like about Star Trek Into Darkness. I just wish it wasn’t so eclipsed by how much there is to be disappointed by.
I have no idea how this movie is at almost 80%. Especially when Beyond is 3% lower and is a MUCH better movie.
Tbh, I admit, for the first hour or so of this movie I was thinking "wait why did I give this only a 5 again?", because the movie holds itself together pretty well for awhile. It still suffers from the Abrams problem of being a good product instead of interesting art, but its watchable. But god, the final act. A complete mess. The role reversal stuff is just absolutely terrible. Spock shouting "Khan" was the worst moment. Just corny as hell. And I'm sorry, but the Kirk/Spock relationship is just not established enough in this continuity for Kirk's death to resonate. Especially when they already established was was SO OBVIOUSLY going to be a way to bring Kirk back. And low and behold, it was, and it was corny. They never should have tried to follow the act of Khan at all tbh, Ricardo is way too tough and act to follow. and Whitewashing one of the greatest poc villains in movie history is ridiculous.. Also, a nitpick, but the fan service scene with Carol Marcus in her underwear was jarringly unnecessary. Like yeah, sure, Alive Eve has a great body, but it being out of nowhere and not serving any narrative purpose and a bit of tonal whiplash. It just didnt fit.
This is actually my least favorite Star Trek film. Because the worst original timeline movies at least were TRYING to do something interesting and not make a cynically marketable product and failing even at that.
I will admit though I do like the element of the destruction of Vulcan changing Starfleet to be more militaristic. It might not be "Gene's vision" but it makes sense for the alternate universe and is the most interesting plot point. They should have just had Alexander Marcus be the main villain.
It's not the idealistic, brainy, Star Trek that we grew up with. This is a fast moving action flick made for the Summer movie season. Just like J.J. Abrams's debut attempt at recreating the "Star Trek" world a few years ago, "Star Trek Into Darkness" provides all of the characters that we grew up with but gives each their own distinct moment. Some of the moments actually seem very out of character, but the whole movie is very entertaining.
To enjoy this you have got to leave the legacy of Star Trek at the ticket booth. This cannot be a continuation of the original Star Trek series or for that matter, the original movies. It's a new Trek for a new audience. Sit back and enjoy this for what it is, which is a lot of fun.
Star trek for idiots. For a startrek film 3/10
For an action film 7/10. It seemed to be one over the top action sequence to the next.
I knew I was in for a bad ride when the enterprise was parked hidden in the ocean. Why was it not in orbit?
A caveat - this is not the Star Trek that Gene Roddenberry intended and one would imagine that he would not have approved. But then, some of the best Star Trek episodes, and indeed series (DS9), have come from a divergence from Roddenberry's positive vision of the future and a willingness to explore the difficulties humanity would have in aspiring to this unlikely ideal. Abrams was wise to begin his film versions of Star Trek prior to the realisation of Roddenberry's utopia. What Star Trek has also often been good at is providing a canvas upon which to comment on the moral and social questions that resonate with modern society and here the notion of terrorism and how humanity addresses this in personal and global terms feels particularly relevant.
Not that Abrams allows this to get in the way of delivering what can only be described as a perfect summer movie, but the overall themes of the film ascribe to this notion of Star Trek. What Abrams also gets right in spades is the characters and the interaction between all of them, in particular Kirk and Spock, with a great effort made in ensuring all of the crew get a moment to shine (something notably lacking from the original movies). Pine and Quinto are a fantastic double act and the development of their characters and their relationship is the highlight of the film. Cumberbatch makes for a great central villain, yet the film develops in surprising ways. There are plot holes galore here and to be sure they mar the overall rating. They are also likely to enrage the pedantic fans of a series which has often suffered from a need/desire to retcon or fit everything into a preordained timeline often at the expense of simply enjoying the moment. And that is what the filmmakers seems to be doing here. Rarely do these plot inconsistencies detract from the sheer fun and enjoyment of seeing these characters race through a film whose pace is relentless. What is unnecessary however is this film's attempts to connect with a previous instalment in the series. There is nothing inherently wrong with the connections but it adds little to the story and wholesale reminders of scenes from another film detract from their intent. These similar moments could have easily been staged in a different way and the film would have been better for it. There is also an incredibly convenient "deus ex machina" moment that is as predictable as it is ridiculous and completely unnecessary as it only serves to fulfil the desire of the film to connect with its predecessor. Still, this is great entertainment!
Ppphhhffrrrrttt o.g. Khan had sweeter pecs
Rewatched this for Beyond. Better than people think. Gets a bad rep for some reason.
This is worst ST movie! Plot does not work, characters are flat and juvenile and the whole thing is just a no go. I couldn't even watch the whole movie because the plot had too many holes in it. This was as bad as the ST one movie where they remade "Vegar" ST episode and that was bad! Try again! #ShiftvW8
Unbelievably average, fell asleep every time someone opened their mouth. The only scene i really enjoyed was when they were jettisoned towards the dreadnought class, but even then the dialog was hard to listen to.
Forgive me but I have to do it. The thing that is fundamentaly wrong with Abrams` Trek is it´s all about > being cool. Everything in the movies has to stand up to this mantra. Is it cool to hide a Starship inside an ocean on a planet ? Yes. Is it Star Trek. No, it´s not Newsflash Mr. Abrams: Star Trek has made billions of fans all over the world for half a century without being cool. It doesn´t need to be. It´s not Marvel.
Furthermore, they create a new timeline so that they can do something new but all they are really doing is leeching of ideas from the original and simply twisting the plots in them around. That is not my idea of doing something new.
Again way to much lens flare (its JJ Abrams). Again great CGI (It´s ILM).
If it wouldn´t be calling itself a Star Trek movie I actually would give it a higher rating. But I can´t. It is better then the first but only slightly. I can´t see past the fact what they did (are doing) to the characters. This is in essence Star Trek for the Marvel generation.
HavlKedelig scifi film
Not too good. Better to just go back and watch Wrath of Khan again.
To be honest, I feel a little bit cheated in some ways, but I'm still going away from it satisfied. Sky high expectations might have something to do with it...
All in all...not a classic, but still highly enjoyable.
I didn't particularly like this film when I first saw it around the time of its release. I thought that the casting of Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan Noonian Singh was a mistake. Yes, he makes a mean villain, but can't be expected to (and doesn't) carry the film. The plot appeared to be, notwithstanding many 'nod's as good as a wink' references to the (far better) original, a series of set-pieces (much of which consisted of explosions and disintegrating hardware) with some clunky attempts at characterisation and dialogue in-between. Watching it again recently (I started digitising my DVD/Blu-ray collection during COVID lockdowns and am now playing them!), hasn't changed this view.
Just given it a 6, but really, it's a 5.7. Not as bad as Star Trek V. That's not a recommendation.
colour grading the blue tones in the film to match chris pine’s eyes?????? please send my compliments to the chef
The costumes, set and cinematography are nice... but second time around, trying to enjoy this, and I'm just bored out of my mind, I truly dislike the Kelvin timeline. I'm with Scotty - "I thought we were explorers", I prefer the exploration and discovery to the shallow storytelling and constant action.
4.5/10 for that :vulcan_tone4: iconic Spock/Kirk scene, the Section 31 mention, Noonien Singh synthetics homage, and the Chekhov red shirt death knell foreshadowing.
Not as good as the reboot but still pretty good. I now recognize how similar this is to the other movie.
A skillful space-faring overdose of adrenaline, if not really my idea of a Star Trek film. Into Darkness has the makings of a curvy, complicated red tape thriller, but its predictability, superficiality and outright refusal to go more than five minutes between jump-cut-loaded action scenes halts the germination of that seed relatively early. With the exception of big-bad Benedict Cumberbatch, who manages to be both admirable and despicable in even doses, the film is thoroughly overacted and the touches of fan service that I so relished in the 2009 reboot seem far more forced and unnecessary the second time around. There's also a notable lack of gravitas to the proceedings, in my opinion one of the hallmarks of the series, with an unfamiliar trigger-happy temperament lending the impression of an adult who's regressed into a period of renewed adolescence. That's not to say it isn't enjoyable: the action sets, though frequent, are constantly fresh and exciting, while its daring in even-handedly tackling the subject of a 23rd century terrorist is progressive and topical. I merely found myself wishing for a bit more meat and a smaller serving of kicks, punches and phasers.
Director J.J. Abrams' version of Star Trek is a more modernized one. With insane action sequences, an utterly despicable villain, and special effects way beyond what was possible during the Shatner years, this movie is, for the most part, a wonder to behold. After watching it on my computer monitor, I can only imagine what a treat it was on the big screen. The one thing that keeps me from giving this a higher score was the profanity count, which was off the scale, especially for a movie that was only rated "PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence". Did the raters watch this on mute, or dubbed in a foreign language? True, profanity has always been a part of Gene Roddenberry's space opera franchise, especially when it comes to the movies...but, come on; kids are watching these films!
I liked the movie, even though there's a distinct lack of Sci in this Sci-Fi. I specifically hate the always present "ship with no energy falling from orbit"; if an object is in orbit, it will stay in orbit. It bugged me in TOS and it bugs me now.
One of if not the best Star Trek movie I know!
Look I know it's not really Star Trek, its an overhyped sci fi action movie masquerading as Star Trek, though the third installation made great strides in its Star Trekness. But seriously, I love this movie, its got the right level of geeky science, the classic villain, fantastic actors, queer baiting to high heaven, baddass Suluness. Seriously one of my favourites.
An almost great movie until Abrams turns the film into a Wrath of Khan tribute. Benedict Cumberbatch would have made a good villain if he wasn't playing Khan and if Abrams didn't try to make it a secret he was Khan. Since he just wasn't Khan like.
Definitely not the best ever star trek movie. And I guess with the reboot, some characters are allowed to stray from their original character (Spock going crazy for one). But still all good :)
Finally a Star Trek movie without a single embarrassing attempt to be funny for pre school kids. Thank the heavens... great acting and I liked the story.
The special effects just great and mostly not too far from the previous film.
Almost as good as the first one. Great entertainment with great actors.
...and yes...I still consider myself a Trekkie even though I like this movie.
i promised myself that if Kirk live again i'll give the movie 9 and of course it deserved it too,best sequel!! :) and funny too
It is rich in plot detail and exciting to watch.
Movie was awesome! Brought back memories of Star Trek: Wrath of Kahn.
Not what I expected. Te potential was there, but it fell short of the mark. All in all a fun action movie, but coulde have been much more
Cinema Paco 2. Picture and sound 5/5. 3D 4.5. Spectacular, very entertaining, somewhat lower than the previous
It's fun to watched it. Cumberbatch great, as always. Only a Hollywood ending ...
Great soundtrack!!! Khan is so fuc**ing awesome!
Loved the twists in this movie. I can't wait to get the DVD so I can watch it again.
Excelente, não posso dizer que sou um fan da série, mas gostei muito desse filme.
Good movie, but it definitely had some cheesy lines and actions. I loved the acting and action though.
Great movie except for the storyline (déjà vu feeling)
Good movie i love it
BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH...that is all
Verhaal is redelijk , wel goed geluid als je gebruik maakt van home cinema
The first one's better
Too no homo to compare chemistry between casts to other incarnations of Star Trek. Basically recycled all old tropes with very little original content that isn't super sexist or lame. Still everyone is pretty and special effects are cool. Shouldn't have taken 4 years to produce.
A fun movie to watch but a bit predictable. The whole "Trekkie Gang" survives.
"Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)",
The second Star Trek Movie From director JJ Abrahams, and written by Roberto Orci & Damon Lindelhof, Alex Kurtz. has hit the big screen. where as a long time trek fan, i definetly had this movie on my "to see", list this summer, before breaking into a more detailed review, let me just say i definetly enjoyed this movie very much.
For now let me just start with the movie, As Opposed to some people who reviewed this movie as an Action roller coaster, which had action scenes non stop. I find the action thoroloughy well structured, and narrative to the story, As Opposed to movies like transformers and its sequels which left me wondering what had just happened on the big screen in front of me. Sorry (Michael bay) But your story telling sucks. back tot where we where with this review, As the action is fast paced, its Imperative to the way Abrahams sets this universe. The downside is that for hardcore trekkers such as myself, It leaves little space for these hardcore Sci-Fi Drama, and character moments we come to love in Classic trek, Abrahams however managed to retain some of these elements in the Movie. The Cast was thorolougy enjoyable in this Movie, The Choice of Cumberbatch as Khan, wouldnt have been my first choice. But Cumberbatch manages to make a impressive role out of the character Khan. It however bleaches from the role that previously was played bij Ricardo Montalban. Both portrayals of these Characters should however, been seeing contemperay to their respective time periods.
The Story itself however does manage to Carry a larger underlying political sociaal message,
As the tittle "Into Darkness", leaves some people wondering? For me it represent The darkness of Subversion from Within. Als Kahn and some events of what happened can be compared to as post 9/11 events. And current issues of laws being changed to spy on People, Some people compare Khan to A Terrorist like bin Laden in this movie. I however retain that Khan while hey plays a villainous Role, Was not without Heart. And the Real Villain is the one that comes from within.
Whilst having reviewed this movie i can definelty say i enjoyed it very much, If Your looking for Real Classic Trek im sorry to say "This Isnt Your Daddy's Star Trek.
I really enjoyed myself. Not as much as I've enjoyed myself whilst watching the previous one, yes, but I still found this movie to be entertaining, interesting, and humorous or emotional at the appropriate times.
Bit disappointed, but still great fun! I liked the previous one better though and the warp core thing really was too far fetched. And about the 3D; I could have done without that. I did not add anything and I found myself annoyed with it sometimes (and shifting my glasses to see if that helped... it did not). I did like the references!
Khaaaann
Great combination of action, humor and drama! I really enjoyed it!
Pretty awesome, actually. Filled with great nuances and little references. Plus, TRIBBLE!!
It boldly had it all... action, story, emotion, humour, visuals, script... Star Wars VII is in good hands. Nice one Jeffrey 8.5/10 :-)
Cumberbach was AWESOME. an incredible villain with a Moriarty-like personality. 8/10
the movie overall was good, not overly great, but good.
also, SO MUCH LENS FLARES. please, JJ, stop this!.
I really enjoyed it. I was spoiled going in so I knew it would be a rewrite of The Wrath of Khan and I also knew they'd mix it up a bit. I watched on a non-3D screen because I get migraines and 3D is a no go. Some of the action was a bit hard to follow because there was so much going on in the frame. I'll probably have to rewatch at home - again and again.
I liked what they did with Carol Marcus in this version. The Kirk/Marcus storyline is better and I just like her overall character better. She was unpleasant in the old Trek (though I could hardly blame her). Also, it was good to see some old faces show up.
It rates a 9/10 only because... it's just not quite there storywise. Maybe next time.
Fantastic movie, can't wait to watch it again! Cumberbatch was fantastic, completely stole the show.
To boldly go where Harve Bennett, Jack B. Sowards and Nicholas Meyer have gone before.
This is a capital T Terrible movie. The beginning is somewhat decent but the end is a terribly written mishmash of previous television episodes and lets be honest wholesale lifting from wrath of Khan. Will write longer review when I have the time
Benedict Cumberbatch, between this and Sherlock... Give this man a damn award. Great movie. Loved it! I didn't set any expectations walking in to the cinema - just simply loved it. Would go see it again!
Finally I 've watched the movie with some friends yesterday.
And I gotta say: It was really good. But there is happening so much. You don't even get time to breath sometimes. One incident after the next one. Bam, bam bam! And that about two hours long.
Thats not that bad if you are into an action movie. But for me, Star Trek was always more than Science Fiction with action scenes in it. And thats why the movie is only getting 8/10 points.
If I want to watch a movie with no bigger story in it, which is Science Fiction & Action based - I gonna watch Iron Man or something like that.
Nothing big is happening in the story line - that is what I missed most... maybe because of the many action scenes^^. But Star Trek Fans will like that Kahn is showing up and Tribbles too - and one scene with a windows between Spock & Kirk. But that felt more like the writers/director want do give the Star Trek fans something to like to movie more..... Hmmmmmm.. ladidadida... hm!
Something about the 3D pictures: Many scenes in that movie are happening so fast, that the whole picture is very blurry. And the director played with many close ups... which were strange to watch.
Even if the 3D effects are really good, you might consider the option to not watch it in 3D.
Well. The movie is great. And I definitely gonna watch it a second or third time.
If you are into Science Fiction or Action movies : Go to your preferred cinema theatre and enjoy.
If you also like Star Trek: Just lower a little bit your expectations and you gonna like it as well =)
I can't help but feeling a little bit disappointed. It's not that the movie was bad, it really was a great movie.
But somehow I couldn't help but feeling that nothing really was happening throughout the movie. It mostly felt like a slow building movie, focusing on developing the characters and background.
Maybe this is what's happening when you got to high expectations..
With that being said, this movie contains some great action scenes, humor, and great acting, especially from Benedict Cumberbatch.
This movie is great, but not excellent.
I am going to see that movie tomorrow. I CAN'T WAIT!!! YAY YAY YAY
My disappointment is that it is great, not excellent.
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You know, I kinda liked the first movie in the reboot series while my friends that saw it in the cinema back then with me absolutely hated it. We were similar Star Trek fans and enjoyed the franchise up to that point equally as much I'd say. Yes, I liked the first one even tho it was a farcry from the older material and left the feeling that the writers and Abrams didn't really "get" the Star Trek universe and just kinda created yet another "new" action franchise.
But this? I'm almost disgusted by the pandering and ridiculous try at "fan-service" in this movie. The references, the "role-reversal", the whole copying of material and characters from older movies with "a twist" and what not. A shame. How about something original and not another silly revenge story THAT WE ALREADY KINDA HAD?
WHY create a alternate universe if we are going to re-tread old ground and that even badly?
The movie was a mess, I don't know what the writers were thinking, not even gonna mention Abrams, can we just not give him movies or tv shows in the future please? (and that ship crashing into Alcatraz... what was he trying to tell us there?! good lord...)
As a Star Trek fan I feel insulted after watching this and if they are not going to come up with something new and original for the next movie this certainly was the last one I watched in this alternate timeline and will just start to pretend that it never existed.