I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu It's funny how everyone who recycles this comment about the ending of Lost seems to fail to understand a very simple premise of writing. The same premise that had D&D re-do the pilot for Game of Thrones after initially sharing it with a room full of HBO writers and it's that if your audience fails to understand what it is that you're trying to relay, you've simply done a bad job, especially if it's as clear as you imply it to be.
Many audience members don't want to sit down and go full nerd trying to analyze the writers' creative decisions, which is why it falls on the latter to simplify the content for the former, you can of course call anyone who doesn't share your views a mindless twit who couldn't understand what the show was trying to do but the matter of fact is that it's the show's responsibility to make the audience understand and if it fails to do that then it's no fault of the audience, it's that simple.
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If you're looking for an action and "turn brain off now" film, just don't watch it and spare us the 6-7 hearts review.
I for one, am very tired from 500$m crap like Indi Day and Marvel's poop. So I was very excited to watch this one.
This one is more like Spielberg's Encounters from the Third Kind. It's more about the characters in the film and the amazing journey they go through. It's mostly about the human behavior that will make you think.
While it's not an End of the World aliens movie like Battle: Los Angeles, it still offers great amount of military presence and plenty of stuff that's going on.
So if you actually want to care about an intelligent movie and use your head - go. Otherwise, go watch an X men.
Highly recommended for some audience 10/10.
2-feb-2017 edit: Just came out on Bluray and I saw it again. Definitely keeping my rating.
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@stormsm I feel you on this subject but I don't think that this film is an intelligent movie. It is a well shot movie, so suspenseful and kinda thoughtful that what humans can do if they deal this situation. But the third act is a disappointment for me unfortunately. I care about "why they are here and what they are gonna do" thing but it didn't me satisfy. The film goes another subject.
Also, people can watch both Marvel movies and Sci-fi movies. If I can watch an X-Men movie, it doesn't mean that I cannot watch this movie. I see your point but there are other peoples like me takes this argument differently. Thanks...
Even my 6-year-old son watches it in complete silence.. There are no words to describe it.
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@aristigueta76 i think he's asleep
The whole whisperers and their masks is so stupid. So you just put a mask and you become invisible to zombies. Leaving this aside why didn’t the other side just put masks as well to defend from whisperers and “invisibly” kill the wave of zombies sent by them.
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@daniels0xff Yeah it's ridiculous. One of the most iconic scenes of the show is when Rick and Glenn drape themselves in entrails and still end up having to run because the rain starts washing some of the blood off. 10 seasons later that all goes out the window and Beta can push his way through a crowd of walkers already attracted by noise just because he slapped half of someone's face onto his head?
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu "No, you are fundamentally wrong."
You're entitled to believe that but considering a room full of writers who do this sort of thing for a living and D&D themselves seem to agree with me on this, I'm inclined to believe otherwise.
"It is not the writer's job to ensure everyone pays attention to every detail in the story"
Eh? It kind of is their job to ensure that said details are clearly presented to the audience, at least the consequential ones. Failing to do so and instead treating them like easter-eggs that you must secretly inject into the work and have fans hunt for doesn't make you a contemporary genius, it just means you've failed at properly doing your job.
"If you don't want to spend the effort it takes to pay attention, then you don't deserve to understand the story to the same extent as someone who does"
So let me get this straight, anyone who doesn't interpret a work of art the same way that you do is therefore someone who isn't paying attention and thus doesn't deserve to understand and appreciate the story? Narcissist much? Get over yourself, mate.
Interpretations vary greatly from one person to another, each person presents their own perspective on how they viewed said work of art, that's the beauty of it, it means something different depending on who's engaging it.
"Those who do delve deep are rewarded"
Yes, usually by mundane trivia but what do I know, I'm just a peasant who can not observe the layers of complexity that your highness is able to grasp.
"People like you who ask for explicit explanation for everything are actively ruining the art that makes television, and storytelling in general, so fantastic."
Please, spare me the sanctimonious attitude and refer yourself to my comment on interpretations.
Man, every time you respond to one of my comments it's always the same faint sense of anger and narcissism that I (and by extension of the likes, others as well) didn't share your feelings for a particular episode, it's always this high-horse bullshit that you just spewed into that last comment of yours: "I liked it and if you didn't, you clearly don't understand it".
In this reality - shocking as it may come to you - people possess differing opinions and takes on things, you don't have to accept those opinions but you've no right to belittle someone in some attempt to sell yourself as intellectually superior for seeing things only your excellency can apparently perceive.
The whole whisperers and their masks is so stupid. So you just put a mask and you become invisible to zombies. Leaving this aside why didn’t the other side just put masks as well to defend from whisperers and “invisibly” kill the wave of zombies sent by them.
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@felixgotrek Leaving aside the fact that zombies being able to smell is just as stupid, as they are rotten flesh just a tiny mask can provide the necessary smell for a horde of zombies to ignore you? Not to mention that that skin that the mask is made of it dries in few days and doesn't produce that much of a smell. I'm not referring to this episode in particularly but to the whole idea of whispers.
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I see that some people say the ending is actually happy and that everything seemed to work out at the end! But i find that's not true!
We can clearly see at the ending that Ki-woo is still poor and dreaming of making his message to his father comes true
but did it actually happene or not? we don't know for sure!And i guess it didn't happen and that was because the reference back then when they lost their house, when the father told Kim Ki-woo that plans don't always success and that dreams never come true, so it actually does make sense.
The only thing i don't like that how did actually Kim Ki-woo survive?:D
I mean he has been hit twice by a huge rock in his head!!
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@dr-blue (Sorry about my bad english) I think it is because it was a lucky rock. That would explain why he was laughting at the end, it's ironic that he were so lucky and his sister doesn't with only one stab. That's my theory!
I think the message of the movie is rendered more important and urgent by the fact that so many adults simply don’t get it.
The story is beautifully told, but in a society obsessed with being successful the metaphor about the gifts flies over most heads.
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@trek42 I believe the message is about family and community. The film tells the story of what happens when the members of this magical family are only valued by their gifts: at least one is crushed by the responsibility, one becomes an outcast because his gift is misunderstood by everyone including his family, and yet another is put aside for having no magical gift. The stakes are high because the family’s standing in the community relies largely on the contribution of their fabled magical powers. When the family loses sight of the reason why the miracle was granted in the first place the magic starts to fade. The magical house comes crumbling down, before the giftless granddaughter manages to bring the family together and save the day by restoring the miracle.. It tells me that whatever your talents and successes, you partly owe them to the family/community that reared and nurtured you; and that if you forget that you risk neglecting your very foundations. Moreover, that you are not defined by what you can do, but rather by the choices you make. And that people that are apparently powerless can be the heroes we need, by bringing people together and supporting everyone in the process.
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu Ah yes, going for the old "I'm smarter than you" high horse bullshit in argumentative discussion. Gets em' every time.
What in the actual f*ck.
I'm a reasonable man, I realize I've been crapping on D&D even more than usual this season but I really do have to give them props for doing exactly what they set out to do. They hoped to subvert our expectations and they did just wonderfully in that regards.
We expected all of that buildup over the years to actually amount to something that at the very least passes for a presentable series finale but instead, we got an incoherent, steaming pile of shit. Expectations subverted!
We expected all of that character development to actually result in a beautiful pay-off that respects the journey of self-discovery each and every one of our beloved characters went through to get to where they are now but instead, we got a painful, disrespectful cycle of character regression. Expectations subverted!
We expected the final season of this show to keep us at the edge of our seats with thrilling writing that didn't subvert our expectations for the sake of subverting our expectations via low-quality shock value-seeking writing, but to introduce plot twists that make sense within the overall narrative of the story but instead, we got CW-level predictable, cringe material. Expectations subverted!
I get it. I really do. GRRM let them down by not getting the books ready in time and so they had to improvise away from his influence, but this? This? For a long while, Game of Thrones lived up to the slogan of its parent network, it wasn't just TV, it was something different, something unique and now to have to see it come to this... it's nothing short of disappointing.
On the bright side though, at least this episode didn't suck completely. The acting, score and cinematography were all on point, so I guess it's nice that I didn't walk out of it having appreciated absolutely nothing about it.
So why do I even bother anymore? I honestly could not tell you, though it's probably a mixture of masochism and a faint sliver of hope that they won't flush our collective investment into this series down the drain by the end of it, just one more episode dammit.
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"Just because a show doesn't go in the direction you wanted doesn't mean it's wrong or bad."
I never said that was the case. Game of Thrones is a TV show, its entertainment value is completely subjective to the viewer. Many have enjoyed this season and good on them, they're free to develop their own opinions on how it was handled, just as I'm free to express disappointment over how - in my opinion - it's crashing and burning.
"Daenerys always had a bit of crazy in her. It should not have been that shocking for her to burn down the city to provoke fear."
I don't think anyone was shocked that Dany went the "mad queen" way, it was foreshadowed for quite a bit and seeing it finally unfold on screen doesn't make it any more surprising.
What's got me disappointed though was the writers' complete disregard for her character development, seeing as quite a bit of said development was built around her being better than her father and brother. Dany was always mad for the throne, but this is extreme even for her, in my opinion, the writers didn't do her character justice.
It's clear that the writers value shocks and twists over characters with consistent motivations.
Edit: I'll remember Stannis as he was.
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Stanises motivations remained consistent in my opinion. The Iron throne was always his goal, and still is. And burning people alive is nothing new in his camp. I think he (and Melisanre of course) sees the burnings as the necessary evil needed to reach his goal. It's desperate times like these (when he can't turn back, and probably won't succeed if he goes forward) when he needs all the help he can get in order to reach the goal. Thus the desperate measures.
So I suppose they don't hire brazillians actors to play an actual brazillian citizen lol that accent was terrible tbh
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@iquabius even Serac's accent was better than the president' accent kkkkkkkkk
So every time they need something from the shop they just ride the horses and risk they lives to bring it..really?! Why not just drive a car for just one time and bring all the stuff in the shop and turn back!
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@alaa-ramadan There was a sign in the shop that said something about "Take what you need" so I'm assuming, given how Hershel's family all run, they take only what they need, and leave what they don't need in case other survivors actually need it
I hope Ford faked his death with a Host version of himself.
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@konvar Exactly my thoughts! Remember we didn't see that host being created in episode 7? it would be insane if it was Ford's replacement. And that handshake between Ford and Bernardino felt weird. And why the zoom in? It was like they were trying to say something. And in the Westworld movie, the only way to know whether a person was a host or not were the hands. So it could also be a wink to the film.
I hope Ford faked his death with a Host version of himself.
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@konvar lol my very first thought!! Probably a programmed scene to the event. Remember quoting Ford "The piano doesn't murder the player if it doesn't like the music" grins
"Everyone! Remain calm! The Crypts are perfectly SAFE!!!!! I repeat, the CRYPTS ARE SAFE!!"
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Right! I feel like everyone forgot that the Night King can raise the dead. I feel we maybe seeing more Starks Join the battlefield than expected.
Best Walking Dead Episode Ever!
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Best World War Z Ever
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If you're looking for an action and "turn brain off now" film, just don't watch it and spare us the 6-7 hearts review.
I for one, am very tired from 500$m crap like Indi Day and Marvel's poop. So I was very excited to watch this one.
This one is more like Spielberg's Encounters from the Third Kind. It's more about the characters in the film and the amazing journey they go through. It's mostly about the human behavior that will make you think.
While it's not an End of the World aliens movie like Battle: Los Angeles, it still offers great amount of military presence and plenty of stuff that's going on.
So if you actually want to care about an intelligent movie and use your head - go. Otherwise, go watch an X men.
Highly recommended for some audience 10/10.
2-feb-2017 edit: Just came out on Bluray and I saw it again. Definitely keeping my rating.
Watching again at July-2023, excited towards Dune II : Excellent. Excellent film. So called plot-holes listed here are negligible when the overall product is really thoughtful and masterfully crafted.loading replies
@stormsm jesus fuck why would you think anybody who doesn't love the movie as much as you is a dumb person or having "turned off his brain"? It seems to me that you like things that makes you think like you're smart, which this movie clearly does for you, but that kinda language is unnecessary and people are entitled to their (negative) opinions, just as much as you.
what baffles me is that there are 50 people like you, judging by the number of upvotes. God help us all.
What in the actual f*ck.
I'm a reasonable man, I realize I've been crapping on D&D even more than usual this season but I really do have to give them props for doing exactly what they set out to do. They hoped to subvert our expectations and they did just wonderfully in that regards.
We expected all of that buildup over the years to actually amount to something that at the very least passes for a presentable series finale but instead, we got an incoherent, steaming pile of shit. Expectations subverted!
We expected all of that character development to actually result in a beautiful pay-off that respects the journey of self-discovery each and every one of our beloved characters went through to get to where they are now but instead, we got a painful, disrespectful cycle of character regression. Expectations subverted!
We expected the final season of this show to keep us at the edge of our seats with thrilling writing that didn't subvert our expectations for the sake of subverting our expectations via low-quality shock value-seeking writing, but to introduce plot twists that make sense within the overall narrative of the story but instead, we got CW-level predictable, cringe material. Expectations subverted!
I get it. I really do. GRRM let them down by not getting the books ready in time and so they had to improvise away from his influence, but this? This? For a long while, Game of Thrones lived up to the slogan of its parent network, it wasn't just TV, it was something different, something unique and now to have to see it come to this... it's nothing short of disappointing.
On the bright side though, at least this episode didn't suck completely. The acting, score and cinematography were all on point, so I guess it's nice that I didn't walk out of it having appreciated absolutely nothing about it.
So why do I even bother anymore? I honestly could not tell you, though it's probably a mixture of masochism and a faint sliver of hope that they won't flush our collective investment into this series down the drain by the end of it, just one more episode dammit.
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"Maybe you should watch the series again ?"
I don't see how that would help given that my opinion of this radical change in her character is based off of my take on the character development she was exposed to all of those seasons.
So as to end this pointless cycle of repetition where someone just disagrees without providing any arguments to counter mine with, allow me to yet again state that you're entitled to your own opinion and take on this issue, just as I am entitled to mine.
The fact you disagree with mine does not render it null or make yours any valid, nor do condescending requests to re-watch the series satisfy that expectation.
I don't like Sansa - of course she would betray her brother's (ok, cousin's) trust and blab his secret to everyone - but now I don't like Daenerys either. Damn, would she sit down and wait for her army to heal and recuperate? She's gotten increasingly ruthless in the past couple of seasons. It would indeed be a decent strategy if Jon and Daenerys would marry and just rule together, but I don't think that's going to happen now. They killed off Rhaegal, so that's gotta foreshadow something - that there will only be one Targaryen left standing at the end of the series.
Also, poor Ghost. Leaving him to the North definitely signalled Jon's gradual departure from the Stark family and gradual acceptance of his Targaryen heritage. So sad to see him react to Jon like that.
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@rikaylaI have the feeling she will be killed off and Jon would become the King of the Seven Kingdoms and everybody would love him. It seems like the writers are gradually making her, let's say, unlikeable thus getting ready to get rid of her. I wonder what would happen to the last dragon.
Man, what a poor episode, lackluster after lackluster. If this is the culmination of the time and interest myself and others have invested into Game of Thrones all of these years, then it is truly unfortunate and disappointing if not almost bordering on an insult.
Such a shame that this will be the legacy of a series that once took the world by storm with its brilliant storytelling and exhilarating plot twists, hardly recognizable anymore when it parades around in a pathetic shell of its former self.
I can't say I'm excited nor even interested in the remaining episodes, at least not when this season has taught me time and again to lower my expectations as much as possible, but I hope they will at least respect what this series once was and offer a conclusion worthy of its story. sigh
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@jinzulen there is an abysmal difference between book writing and hbo writing
Man, what a poor episode, lackluster after lackluster. If this is the culmination of the time and interest myself and others have invested into Game of Thrones all of these years, then it is truly unfortunate and disappointing if not almost bordering on an insult.
Such a shame that this will be the legacy of a series that once took the world by storm with its brilliant storytelling and exhilarating plot twists, hardly recognizable anymore when it parades around in a pathetic shell of its former self.
I can't say I'm excited nor even interested in the remaining episodes, at least not when this season has taught me time and again to lower my expectations as much as possible, but I hope they will at least respect what this series once was and offer a conclusion worthy of its story. sigh
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@jinzulen I gave exactly the same rating than you, why would you put so many effort building relationships you will destroy two episodes later (Aria and Gendry, Jaime and Briane, Ghost/Rhaegar and Jon), even if you only have six episodes to finish one of the bests TV shows ever... so disappointed.
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One of the worst and most hyped films I've ever seen. I absolutely don't get what this flick wants to tell me.
Besides that, it is neither thrilling nor entertaining, so I can only hope that there is a message and deeper meaning to it that I just don't get... However, I would recommend to stay away from it if you expect a SciFi thriller because I know for sure that Blade Runner is not thrilling at all.
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@drnkmnky 5 years ago, I thought exactly same think. But after rewatching this film about 5 times, finally I understand what is the logic behind of this film. My only advice is that read a lot of sci-fi books. Then you realize this is a real philosophical and also "not of its age" type film.
The people that rate the episode before it's even out, I think should be deprived from their voting rights for some finite period. This is a joke. I don't understand why do they do it, is it fun or something?
The episodie page is reporting 75%, 38 watchers, 60 plays, 217 collected - and it has not been released yet...
I don't understand people anymore. I understand that there are apps an people click everything... but rating it, that must done on purpose, not by accident and it must have an intention don't know why they do it with unaired episodes -more weight to game the whole series or season ratings- I don't know but it's extremely annoying.loading replies
@abetancort From their side trakt could simply enable voting and commenting an episode only after it has been aired
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VIP7I just saw this movie, I had no idea what it was about or had any expectaions at all. And damn I got suprised. And I really liked this movie, and it keept me hooked from the begining til the end. But one question, why did they hijack the plane? Anybody that understood this? I guess we have to live with not knowing. :grin:
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@geekztor They clearly mention that the plane was hijacked to cause an unspecified political and financial disruption. They were paid a million dollars each to hijack the plan, they created a fake conference so they could get Muslim scapegoats on the flight, and the end goal was mentioned to likely crash the stock market or affect the upcoming election but the hijackers were mercenaries without a direct incentive besides financial gain.
It seems it was likely a state funded operation to make it seem like a jihadist terror attack. The plane was preprogrammed to crash into a building in London, and a message was set to play claiming ISIS like responsibility. This could both crash the stock markets and allow certain political messages to help specific candidates.
Why are they focusing on Henry so much? He's becoming as annoying as Nora from The Flash. He's so predictable that he takes the excitement out of a plot twist.
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@datbabyaintmine Kid characters in adult shows are generally the worst. We finally got rid of Carl and now we have Henry >.< lol
So you mean to tell me that after all that fighting and battles you going to turn around and become the very same thing you fighting... ridiculous.
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@jojo-sxm You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain
how the hell did he shot the video with a camera?
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@ashuk Digital Camera's have been able to record video clips for at least a decade. :)
@mjeledoux The question is why Netflix had to create their own cut. Is it really that difficult to watch something longer than 45 minutes? I wish they would just have kept the original flow.
