Fisk in this episode is just a bully... why to beat your man almost to death.. if u are so smart? And what is that strategy with the wars? "ugh the hurt me i will start a war" "ugh he dont like orange, i will start a war" "ugh he is short i will start a war".. No! U are smart 24/7 or stupid 24/7 u cant be both.
Finally, I was starting to wonder when they'd show Matt parkour from roof to roof.
But man, that confrontation at the end was so intense. Ben should've had something to protect himself, but he wasn't so lucky this time.
Fisk is only a piece of shit a bully and not a townsaver he never tried XD
Really daring, really out-there episode. For the writers to build Wesley into this very calm and calculating person, his demise definitely seemed very out of character. I'm disappointed about his demise - found him to be a much more interesting character than Fisk. Could have been interesting if Matt and Team DD took down Fisk only for Fisk's right hand man to step in for the next season...
Overall the episode was good, but not great. Again a continuation of the previous episode, setting up things for the finale, tying up lose ends and setting up the finale battle between Murdock and Fisk.
Biggest take aways from the episode:
There is a darker past to Karen than we know and it still haunts her.
The team is completely broken up, opposite from the beginning of the season
The attack on Vanessa was to manipulate Fisk by the very people he trusts.
And the big kicker was Ben's death at the hands of Fisk, going after a story that put him next to a shark. As the most experience in the group, he worked as the wisdom or teacher for the group, but Matt wouldn't have been able to move forward into the person he needs to be, if the group mentor, the one that knows what he is doing, who can see goblins in the shadows, was still holding their hand. For the children to grow up, the parents must die. And Ben died so that Matt Murdock would be forced to be the person who can live in the shadows, like Ben could.
Another solid episode of Daredevil. For one there's Karen Page, whose grappling with the guilt of taking a man's life, robbing everyone whose loved him of him, and stressed about if Fisk knows she did it. I really liked how the show visually represented this, showing how torn apart Karen currently is and how she now paranoid that Fisk could come at any second and kill her or the people she loves. Also, im glad things got better between her and Foggy, with Foggy still dead set on this Fisk investigation regardless of the troubled relations between him and Matt. And, while things are still shit between Foggy and Matt, I'm glad Foggy has a warmer perspective on Daredevil, no longer viewing him as a terrorist. Though it sucks the relationship between Karen, Foggy and Matt is now completely ruined, with them no longer being honest with each other about whats happening with them. (well Matt was technically never fully truthful). Also, back to Foggy, its looking like he's made a major breakthrough in the Fisk investigation about connecting Fisk to the explosions that recently happening, and he might convince Marci (lawyer representing Fisk) to work along with him.
Regarding Matt/Daredevil, its looking like he's learning more about how grand the world of crime in Hell's Kitchen is, with him learning about Madame Gao, how she leads a massive Chinese drug factory who makes business dealings with Fisk, how these drugs are infesting Hell's Kitchen, and about a potential large sum of money left behind by the now exterminated Russian syndicate, since they were distributors for Fisk. After bearing witness to that factory, full of self-inflicted blind people following a false dream while processing the drugs, Matt felt completely devastated, wondering if there's truly anything he could do to combat al the crime infesting the city, and now realizing he cannot do this on his own. (as shown by the brief conversation between Matt and Karen after Mat came back).
Moreover, about Wilson Fisk, man am I mixed about him. On the one hand I can feel sympathetic for him, with me actually worried about Vanessa life and wanting her to live for the sake of Fisk, after seeing how much Fisk cares for and loves her I actually wanted her to stay alive. Also, it was heartwarming seeing how Vanessa said she wants to stay by his side, that she was fully aware of the path she was going down by being Wilson's fiance, and that she wants Fisk to punish whoever attempted to kill her, to show the world that she will never give up Fisk. Also, man was Wesley's death heartbreaking for Fisk, with Wesley seemingly being his only friend, and someone who was trustworthy and loyal in his eyes. Karen is most certainly dead if Fisk finds out the she killed him.
Also, regarding Ben Urich, man I was so stressed for him. First of all, he has a dying wife which he's struggling to finance, and now (thanks to Fisk paying off the Bulletin) Ben has lost his job. Though luckily, his wife knew the kind of man Ben is, and urged him to publish his story regardless of what means it takes, saying it doesn't matter that he lost his job, all that he needs is the story. And man, things were looking good, almost too good, with him starting to publish the story on an online blog after being pushed by Karen to do so, but of course Fisk found out Ben met his mother. And man, the confrontation between Fisk and Ben was intense, with Fisk at first seeming completely composed, but given how he reacted when Anatoly embarrassed him in front of Vanessa, it was clearly a front, and man, it was painful watching Fisk choke Ben to death just for him visiting Mrs. Vistain, Ben was always such a good person and I'm sad he's gone now. And Ben's death is a huge blunder on the investigation team, he had all the experience and knowledge to reporting which everyone else lacked, and was fully aware of how dangerous this mission would be, and the necessity of taking a safe, slow approach to exposing Fisk, but partially due to Karen he was a lot more reckless in learning about Fisk. Though luckily for Karen, Ben didn't reveal that she was there with him too before Fisk killed him.
Also, man, while it was surprising I should have known that Madame Gao and Owlsley were the ones who attempted to kill Vanessa at the party. I mean they have told Fisk several times that they're worried Fisk is losing sight of his vision to rebuild Hell's Kitchen because of Vanessa, believing she's making him vulnerable and less focused on this objective. Though luckily for them, Fisk is still under the illusion that the assassination was aimed for him, not Vanessa, and doesn't suspect they (well he somewhat does Gao) planned this assassination.
Also man, am I starting to dislike Karen Page, her reckless push towards exposing Fisk's corruption has not only gotten her nearly killed twice, now its lead to Ben's death. I really hope now that Karen starts taking a more calculated and safe approach to exposing Fisk, rather than just diving head first into everything and hoping it all ends up well.
how dare you. how dare you.
After the result of the last episode, the end result of this one was predictable. Wesley should have killed Karen outright when he had the chance...
Probably the best episode to date! Right now I can't see how this will end up; thrilling.
I didn't think they'd kill off Ben...
That Karen plot armour tho...
So first she found out about suspicious company funds and told her boss and co-worker about it, her boss and co-worker ended up dead, but she got away with it. Then she started her own little investigation and was very reckless despite knowing that she is up against a very dangerous man who is involved with gangs, drugs, human trafficking, murder, etc. Yet somehow Fisk and co still leave her be and instead, Ms. Cardenas was the one who got killed. And for some reason, after she got in contact with Fisk's mom, Wesley decided to have a chat with her instead of straight up killing her, while others were killed for much less. Even more surprisingly, Wesley conveniently and unnecessarily decided to put a loaded gun in front of her. Aaaaaaaand in this episode, she survives yet again after meeting Fisk's mother under his nose and killing Wesley, and instead, it's the man who she manipulated into meeting Fisk's mother that dies for all her reckless behaviours.
She could've at least told Urich she was threatened by Fisk's man for meeting his mother and warn him that they might also come for him, after dragging the man into this mess and manipulating him like that, but nope, it seems she gives no care about Urich's safety at all.
Urich's death is partially her fault. After being warned numerous times about being more careful and discreet, she never listens and just had to let the world know she is going against Fisk without even having any concrete evidence. Matt and Foggy are lawyers, Urich is a senior reporter, and they all told her that what she has is not enough, but she just had to be so impatient and stupid and do it her own way and put people in danger. smh
I found this episode quite disturbing - I was starting to like Ben and the way Fisk kills him is quite terrifying. This show is actually quite good...
wow i just cant believe that Wilson Fisk is a big fat bald bully he is so dumb when he thinks that he is so smart i just cant believe that he killed Ben for visiting his mom are you kidding me. That moment between Matt and Karen at the office was so awesome and so beautiful like lets get justice for Ben. Madame Gao using her special powers wow she is something else
Good Parkour race, I was hoping to be wrong about them
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The last episode and this one is when I began hating the character of Karen Page. She killed Wesley and caused Ben to die.