Bringing things back to the "normal" universe feels a little boring after all the fun we've had. But this is still a strong episode that settles down and let's characters do their thing. Plus, Empress Georgiou is still here and she's just magnificent - creepy, intriguing and manipulative. Burnham's decision to bring her over with her was moronic to say the least, but it's going to make for some fun storytelling. Especially now that she's posing as the original Captain.
The episode was dragged down for me by the Michael/Ash stuff. From the moment he appeared, Ash has been an incredibly uninteresting character for me and doesn't seem to have a sensible place within the story (outside of the fact that he turned out to be Voq - but that's over now). The two characters have no chemistry together, and Michael's dialogue when with him becomes unbearably bad.
But I'm intrigued as to the story with the Klingons here and the plan to attack Qo'noS. I was expecting a time travel reset and it looks like things are going in a new direction. It does beg the question of why they don't do that, though, given that they've conveniently and easily replenished their spore supply.
Nice mention of Captain Archer and the Enterprise, too, even though it was super exposition-y. I can't help it, I like winks at the camera like that.
After the action filled episodes this takes a step back and slows things down. But I must agree I am not that much in favor with this episode.
First the writing seems rather convenient. They need to replenish the spores so they just terraform a moon in a nearby system. The depiction of the way the Klingons fight the war sound eerily like terrorist methods. The plan to go to Qo'noS and the explanation of how only military targets will be selected - this all has war on terror written all over it and not in a favorable way. Instead of raising questions if it is moral to do so here it seems like justification. Putting the Emperor in command as Giourgou with the lame explanation she's just recently been rescued makes no sense but maybe it was part of an agreement that wasn't shown to us. The whole Tyler-Burnham arch I was never in favor and now it becomes a millstone that has to be dragged along because I don't think with the conversation between those two it is done with.
Let's see what the season finale will bring but I think we are due to another 180 degree spin.
Now, they've lost it completely.
There's a sentenced mutineer on the bridge of the Discovery which was reinstated by an imposter from the Terran Empire!
The admiral, instead of commandeering the Discovery herself, lets the former Empress of the Terran Empire commandeer one of the last Federation ships, by the way the most powerful ship to be built by the Federation so far, because she's got detailed intelligence from a Kronos from another universe from some 10 years ago.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, sure, but THIS is just stupid.
Last Scene of Season 1:
You're speaking with Empress Georgiou! Prepare to receive instructions!
Simply boring. But not in the good Elon Musk "boring" way.
The show's problem is that they have a greater story arc that indeed could result in something awesome. But they simply don't give the story enough time to unfold, in episodes with deep scripts. It's almost as if they'd just go through a checklist, marking their progress, with no interest in making that part of the story the best possible experience.
Give us a break one in a while. Don't resolve conflicts or challenges with a finger snap all the time.
And for god's sake introduce the characters to us on a deeper level.
All the events so far, could have been spread over 30-40 or even more episodes. And it probably would have been a much greater joy and experience. Season 1 is pretty much one huge waste of an interesting idea. It's okay, because you can appreciate the greater idea behind it all. But it could have been so much more. Tragic.
[7.0/10] It feels like every high profile genre show is desperate to feel “cinematic.” T.V. wants to wash off its idiot box stink and adopt the cachet of the big screen. At a time when the line between television and films is blurring (thanks, in part, to the streaming services CBS is competing with), major franchise films are starting to feel more like television done big, and major franchise series are starting to feel more like one long movie.
Star Trek Discovery feels more and more like it exists in that space, aping its cinematic brethren and trying to create a climax that feels worthy of the budgetary expenditures meant to replicate a silver-screen quality presentation at home. The problem is that blockbuster storytelling is hit or miss. It’s all too easy to throw out some objective, have your characters come up with a desperate plan to achieve it, and then throw in some cryptic hints and tedious exchanges to fill time while you wait for the explosions.
That’s unduly harsh. Discovery seems concerned with character and theme in “The War Without The War Within.” There’s a continuing thread over whether Burnham will forgive and help Tyler; there’s a meeting of her two surrogate parents, and there’s even more ruminating on whether to sacrifice your principles in the face of an existential threat.
But mostly, this episode feels like window dressing before the show delivers its season finale. When our heroes return to the prime universe, they find that the Klingons have all but won the war. Far from being united, the different Klingon houses are competing with one another to see who can achieve the biggest victory against the Federation, massacring civilians and decimating Starfleet forces. A conversation between Admiral Cornwall (who’s commandeered the Discovery after its retrun) and L’Rell suggests that the Klingons will stop at nothing -- there are no terms, no surrender, only battle and glory.
That sort of danger prompts Cornwall to borrow tactics from Mirror Georgiou, who is a de facto prisoner on the Discovery but who is also a useful resource since she defeated the Klingons in her universe. It’s the strongest idea of the episode, one that has the crew of Discovery and the leadership of the Federation having to question whether to violate their ideals in order to survive.
It’s a theme the show has been grappling with since the beginning -- the question of whether the Klingons can be reasoned with and, if they can’t, what lengths the otherwise noble men and women of Starfleet should be willing to go to in order to defend everything and everyone they hold dear. The episode calls back to this when Sarek Prime (who offered the “shoot first” philosophy to Burnham) and Mirror Georgiou discuss a secret plan, presumably one that will decimate the Klingons, in exchange for Mirror Georgiou’s freedom.
But before that can happen, we need to establish what the nominal plan will be and set up the inevitable third act action movie climax in the season’s final episode. That means having the Discovery boot up its spore drive, jump to the center of Q’OnoS in the planet’s cave system, and scan it for weaknesses or vulnerabilities or something along those lines so that they can signal the rest of the fleet to come attack the Klingon homeworld in the hopes that the Klingons would bolt from Federation space to defend their home planet.
As third act setups go, it’s not bad. It’s just easy to see the strings as the show is obviously poised for the grand heist mission with things going wrong thanks to only a small faction of the crew knowing the real plan while Mirror Georgiou is installed as captain of the Discovery in the guise of her prime universe counterpart.
(As an aside, my prediction for the finale is that Burnham ends up neutralizing Georgiou to prevent her from massacring the Klingons, in an echo or, dare I say, mirroring, of her actions in the premiere.)
But it raises two big “hooray for metaphor” bits. One centers on that notion of sacrificing your ideals so as not to sacrifice your countrymen. The show tackles it in tones that are a little too wonderstruck and clumsy, but it at least dovetails with the plot.
The other stems from the fact (no pun intended) that in order for this plan to work, Stamets will need to regrow the spores to fuel the jump to Q’onoS. So despite their being dead, and his scientific partner failing in a similar attempt after trying to be too controlling, Stamets let's them grow wild and free and it gives the Discovery hope to complete it’s mission.
The episode isn’t shy about drawing parallels between the spores regrowing, Burnham finding her way to redemption and respect after her incidents at the Battle of the Binary Star, and Tyler finding his way back from the bad deeds he committed when Voq was still in his head.
The problem is that the episode communicates that in what is becoming a typical collection of overwritten scenes full of clunky dialogue. Again, The Walking Dead problem rears its ugly head, with exchanges between Burnham and Georgiou, Tilly, and Tyler himself that feel so much like screenwriters writing prose rather than anything that feels natural or plausible as real human interaction. Star Trek has always been a little grandiose, but those speeches never land, and between that and the obvious setup for a climactic ending, the episode can’t help but feel antiseptic.
That’s not a good place to be in heading into your finale. The table is set. Burnham and Tyler have an emotional anti-reunion when Burnham tells her former love that the journey to redemption is a hard but solitary one. Georgiou (or at least, a Georgiou) is the captain again. And we’re poised to have one more fight with the Klingons involving questions of idealism versus expediency.
But the soul, the extra oomph that makes Star Trek more than just a series of explosions with some political or social commentary thrown in just isn’t there. Everything in “The War Without The War Within” is serviceable enough, but comes off as a show going through the motions and falling flat before its last outing of the season.
"The Star Trek Without the Star Trek Within". Yes, silly title, it made as much sense as the episode itself (but, to be honest, Discovery does often feel like Star Trek without the Star Trek within). Well, at least they're gearing up for what it seems to be a fun (though most likely ludicrous) season finale.
8/10
Great
ANOTHER FANTASTIC
EPISODE WOW WOW AND WOW AGAIN.
THIS SHOW IS PHENOMENAL AND ONE OF THE 4 BEST SHOWS EVER CREATED
SUPERNATURAL
LOST
MISFITS
STAR TREK DISCOVERY
ST-DISC IS SO EXCITING AND EACH
EPISODE IS LIKE A CINEMATIC MOVIE,
THE BUDGET THEY SPEND EACH EPISODE IS OFF THE CHARTS LIKE OVER A MILLION
PER EPISODE.
THIS IS DEFINITELY THE BEST TREK EVER CREATED, THIS SHOW IS A MASTERPIECE THROUGH AND THROUGH AND UNLIKE OTHER SHOWS IT NEVER HAS ONE BAD
EPISODE IN A SEASON.
I REALLY DO FEEL SO CONNECTED
TO THE CREW/FAMILY
AND THE SHIP AND I AM SO INVESTED IN EVERYONE BEING SAFE AND
WINNING THIS DAMN WAR.
I LOVE HOW THIS SHOW FOCUSES JUST ON ONE PERSON AND EVERYONE ELSE IS PART OF HER STORY, I JUST LOVE THAT
AND GETS ME INVESTED EVEN MORE SO.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED HOW WE ALL SAT WITH TYLER EVEN AFTER WHAT HE DID,
THAT WAS MY FAVOURITE SCENE
IN THIS EPISODE, I AM SO JEALOUS,
WE SHOULD ALL BE SO LUCKY
IN OUR LIVES TO BE SHOWN
KINDNESS AND EMPATHY
LIKE WHAT TILLY SHOWS TO OTHERS,
AND OF COURSE THE REST OF
THE BRIDGE CREW ARE AS KIND
ABD CARING TOO.
IT WAS AN AMAZING SCENE,
NOW THAT JUST SHOWS HOW
MUCH THIS SHOW IS PROPER TREK.
RIGHT LETS GO BLOW UP A PLANET.....
ROCKET AND THOR WOULD BE PROUD....
"SHOULD BE QUITE THE SPECTACLE"....
GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW 3000.
I just ooze excitement for every episode and this one, this one, was incredible. So immersive and exciting!! I am only upset by the fact next weeks episode is a season finale. Come back strong in Season 2 Discovery
This penultimate episode of season one was fantastic! The storytelling is clearly at it's best this season. Can't wait for next weeks finale!
Desperate times demand desperate measures, or not?
Shout by Felipe SantiagoBlockedParent2018-02-05T19:33:32Z
Honestly, i don't know why all the hate on this show. I'm lovin' it. Hard.