Bernard has to be making a control unit of Ford, right? I mean Ford's consciousness had been talking to the man in black through other hosts. Bernard had all the witnesses killed and we don't know exactly when it happened so Ford could of still been alive.
Also the mystery woman from last episode is William's daughter. Is she going to team up with her dad now or is she there to try and destroy the world that has consumed her father?
Lisa Joy did a great job on her first episode she directed. Next week it looks like Shogun World.
This episode seems to cement the theory that Delos is replacing humans in the real world (that visit Westworld) by hosts or control units.
“You live only as long as the last person who remembers you”
Oh wow, I feel like that was the best episode since the pilot. Didn't expect that because I knew going in that the samurai cliffhanger will not be addressed until next one and I was dubious (from the promo) about Ed Harris' storyline being of much interest to me after first season. Never expect it to be this good, and also parallel with Bernard's storyline to dovetail at the end wonderfully. In retrospect I am not surprised I love this ep as the James Delos scenes have the recursive feel as the pilot, but with narrative momentum forward instead of showing cracks in the world-building. Can't believe this is Lisa Joy's directorial debut too.
The way that the William and Delos story was tied to the Bernard and Elsie story was terrific, as were the revelations that came out on the Bernard front. And the way that the Man in Black and Lawrence story was tied to the Raj woman's story was a real surprise, as well. "Hi, Dad" indeed. Just an amazing episode.
[7.1/10] Cheating death is one of the few natural extensions of artificial intelligence stories that Westworld hadn’t really explored up until this point. Sure, there’s been some morbid material with Ford’s childhood family being recreated. And Arnold being somewhat reborn as Bernard slips into the same mold. But both of these are instances of people trying to recreate loved ones as they remember them, rather than preserve another’s consciousness.
“The Riddle of the Sphinx”, a title which conjures the image of a man in his youth, his adulthood, and his golden years, is the first episode to deal more squarely with the idea of the hosts as a means to beat the grim reaper. We see repeated instances of William interacting with human-robot hybrids of his terminally-ill father-in-law. In each of them, something isn’t quite right, the prospect of his changed circumstances seem to drive the hybrid insane each time. There is a “plateau” to how far he can go.
That seems to be the theme of this one, the limits of what this technology can do, the value of life whether it’s human or robotic, and whether there’s a difference in there.
The problem is that outside of those scenes between William and his father-in-law (both as a young man and an old man), the episode is pretty clunky in how it communicates that theme. There’s a lot of time spent with Bernard and Elsie who, it turns out, is not actually dead, but rather was chained up in a cave “with some protein bars and a bucket.”
I don’t know if anyone was clamoring for the return of characters like Elsie or Stubbs or other of the bland office folk who pop up in this one, but we get them regardless. She’s understandably upset to see Bernard, but seems to take the reveal that he’s actually a host and that Ford is dead and that oh yeah the robot are rebelling in stride. We barely got to know her in the first season, so I suppose it’s good that the episode doesn't belabor her reaction to all of these details, but it feels disingenuous and plot-convenient how easily she just brushes all of this off.
Then, the episode devolves into its same old tricks, where thanks to his brain-blast last season, Bernard’s mind isn’t functioning as it’s supposed to, and he’s drifting back and forth between memories and the present. It’s still an interesting technique, but in its short run, Westworld has already gone to that well enough to where it starts to feel repetitive and the presentation loses its power.
The big reveal is that the cave where Elsie was being imprisoned is adjacent to the secret lab where, at William’s behest, a team that was at least supervised by Bernard was trying to create the father-in-law hybrid. It’s perfectly fine as a “tie it all together” direction to take the episode, but there’s supposed to be more weight to that revelation than the episode can sustain, and it mostly feels like contrived coincidence instead of the neat knot it’s supposed to.
We also see The Man in Black and Lawrence captured by the Confederados who were sent away by Teddy in the prior episode. There’s a solid idea to this part of the episode, where even jaded old William eventually empathizes with Lawrence’s desire not to hurt or disappoint his wife and daughter, something William can relate to, enough to where William is willing to act to save them rather than just proceed in his quest to reach “Glory” or “The Valley Beyond.”
In practice, it’s a fairly paint-by-numbers outing for the ever-cool and collected William. Craddock, the Confederado leader, is mustache-twirly and generic, and the torment he puts Lawrence’s family through starts to feel like too much. But seeing William do something decent for once, as a way of processing his own familial demons, even if he denies that the act changes anything, has at the very least a solid thematic foundation beneath it.
Because the last time we see William interact with one of his father-in-law’s hybrids, he seems changed by his wife’s suicide and his daughter’s rejection of him. He starts to question whether these efforts amounted to anything, whether it’s good to try to live forever, or if eventually a human being becomes too twisted, or just outlives their usefulness, and becomes something less than, something not meant to be when they try to extend beyond that point. It’s lathered in the usual philosophical double-speak that tends to underwhelm, but at least it connects with the idea that seems to animate “The Riddle of the Sphinx”.
That idea extends to the revelation that the woman we met in the colonial India park in the prior episode is actually Emily, William’s estranged daughter. It’s a twist that comes off a little cheesy, but fits nicely with what we’ve already seen. Having grown up with the park available to her, Emily is skeptical of any form of affection that can be manufactured, and has a confidence and ease around the hosts that marks her as someone experienced with them the same way William is.
She’s also the walking embodiment of the other side of that major theme -- that the way to live beyond your mortal life is not through experiments carried out by faceless, muscle-clad, mechanical goons, but by leaving a legacy, one that lives on through your children and the people whose lives you touch. As the Ghost Nation leader says when Emily and Stubbs and other park-goers are gathered around him, you live as long as the last person who remembers you. (Hello, fans of Coco!)
The arcs in this episode, clumsy through it may be, is William letting go of the idea that immortality can be obtained through Ford and Arnold’s creations, or that immortality itself is even desirable. Instead, it positions him to live on in his daughter, to rectify what went wrong with their relationship and with himself so that he can have the sort of life beyond that the Ghost Nation leader speaks of.
That idea is conveyed in the standard oblique fashion, and a lot of the groundwork to get there descends into doldrums, especially the interludes with Bernard and Elsie. But the desire for immortality is one of those natural questions that Westworld’s premise raises, and it’s nice to see the show exploring it a little, even if the results never rise above “fine.”
Oh my oh my oh my!! That was a very revealing episode that left me with goosebumps. Gotta watch this again. Freaking masterpiece!!
I actually saw complaints that there’s more action and adventure this season. I however am loving that about it so far.
The show also still messes with your head. So what’s the big deal ?
I've been left a little cold by all the inscrutable mystery box-ing of late, but this episode is truly wonderful.
Man in Black: You think death favors you, that it brought you back...? But death's decisions are final. It's only the living that..that are inconstant and waver, don't know who they are or what they want. Death is always true. You haven't known a true thing in all your life. You think you know death, but you dont.
Major Craddock: Is that so?
Man in Black: You didn't recognize him sitting across from you this whole time.
"You aim to cheat the devil, you owe him at least an offering." - James Delos
Crítica | Westworld – 2X04: The Riddle of the Sphinx
http://www.planocritico.com/critica-westworld-2x04-the-riddle-of-the-sphinx/
I can't agree that it was the best episode, but it was a really good episode and it felt much more like season 1. I honestly think the lack of Dolores was a good choice. Of course she's the main character, but during some of the last episodes I felt a bit tired of her and Teddy, so I'm really glad to see more of William, Bernard and Elise in this episode instead.
One complaint though - The "previously on Westworld" section was badly done this time. Immediately after the new girl comes out of the lake they cut to William talking about his daughter. It just made you realize what would happen. (I have to admit I already read the theory about it so after seeing the flashback I was 100% sure, but I think even people who haven't read the theory immediately came to the same conclusion. Someone please stop me from reading all these theories.)
70 minutes of mind blowing stuff. This is the Westworld I loved so much back in season 1. Ford has to be alive, Ed Harris is brutal.
"You think you know death? You didn't recognize him sitting right in front of you."
The last shot of Jim pedaling backward on the exercise bike was possibly the most horrifying thing I've seen in this show.
We all just know there's a younger William in a similar room to Delos somewhere in the park yeah? There simply has to be (the weapon, his biggest mistake).
"no man should live forever"
"look to your past" (could be a reference to his daughter though)
"I always trusted code more than people anyway."
played like an episode of black mirror, amazing
i am sorry but this episode is so baaaaaaaaaaaaad.. this series is giving me so many ups and downs I lost count..
"They said there were two fathers. One above, one below. They lied. There was only ever the devil..and when you look up from the bottom, it was just his reflection, laughing back down at you." - James Delos
Wow! Speechless. I'm going to rewatch this a few more times lol.
It's always the same isn't it? Some superrich mfs trying to live forever and control the world..
Death is always true. You haven't known a true thing in all your life. You think you know death, but you don't. You didn't recognize him sittin' across from you this whole time.
WILLIAM TO CRADDOCK
The previous episode of the second season left such a bad taste in my mouth that I took a break from the series as a whole for awhile. As the dust settled on my viewing of episode three, I really really just didn't care about seeing western warfare versus future soldiers. It's not why I started this show and it is certainly not what kept me coming back. Westworld is a show of philosophy and psychology driven as an intersection of sci-fi and western tropes. And episode three? Just didn't do any of that. What I got was a Cowboys and Aliens level riff on a good concept with a subpar execution.
Riddle of the Sphinx does a pretty good job at paving over that bungle. It refocuses things back to the core themes and delves into some of the bigger questions the season has to offer. The b-plot with Delos and William was perfectly interesting and the performances were the highlight for me.
But I just don't really know where we're going right now. I don't understand the termination point or even a general trajectory for these characters right now. They're either fighting to leave Westworld or fighting to understand its mysteries but none of it seems particularly focused right now. This episode will get me to keep watching, but episode three really soured the momentum for me.
I felt really bothered by seeing those beautiful coloured records just lie naked and defenceless on top of each other... :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
The final lab scene was very obvious for me since the beginning. It could only be that character doing that.
Finally human character to cheer for !
Shout by onlimeBlockedParent2018-05-14T16:34:28Z
So, is Westworld the official Prequel to Altered Carbon now?