If you think Walking Dead is too fast-paced then THIS is the episode for you...
Can’t they amputate Carl’s abdomen and keep his head in a jar?
Well, I never thought I would spend so much time ugly crying over the death of Carl but I did. This was a beautiful episode and I really liked how the dream visions were Carl's. It makes it all the more beautiful. Also I think it's great how he could see a world in which Negan could live amongst them as a friend, it shows how much Carl has grown throughout the show as a character .
do u know what's weird? ppl who keep blaming the writers, creators, life and Carl. why in the hell u keep watching then and keep bothering us everywhere?
anyway, this kid grew up a front of our eyes since he was 7, and he's been with us for 8 seasons, so do u prefer him getting shot in the head and move to the next scene? i believe social media fucked this generation up, i miss watching TV with my dad.
[7.4/10] The opening few minutes of “Honor” are The Walking Dead at its best. If you want me to give your television show a little slack, to feel a little extra emotional resonance in an important sequence, then you’re hard pressed to do better than employing a little music penned by Conor Oberst (or, as TWD has also done, John Darnielle). “At the Bottom of Everything”, the opening track from Oberst’s seminal album I’m Wide Awake, It’s Morning, is the perfect accompaniment to the images “Honor” presents. It’s a story and an anthem about the absurdities we face and the joys we wring in the face of oblivion.
And that’s perfect for an episode devoted to Carl’s death, a death that is surprisingly satisfying given it’s shock value vibe in the mid-season finale, and the sense that this was an opportunity to do an overwrought departure from this mortal coil for the show. Instead, we see Carl emboldened, maybe even happy, despite the knowledge of his impending demise.
He makes plans to help people. He says goodbye to his little sister. He writes letters for the people he cares about. He enjoys the fresh air and the sunshine one last time. As befits the song these events are set to, Carl finds a freedom and a joy in knowing what’s to come, in the ideas of what really matters and what decidedly doesn’t emerging in the crucible of a known end.
The death of a child -- one who has often been the show’s chief symbol for the idea of innocence and the risk of it being corrupted in this new world -- could easily have been an opportunity to wallow, and instead the show uses it as an opportunity to vindicate why the things Carl believes in, the idea of a better tomorrow, are worth living for, and worth being happy about, even in the face of death.
That isn’t to say that that “Honor” is a bright, chipper episode filled with warm fuzzies in the death of a major character. The episode channels most of the grief through Rick and Michonne, which is the right choice given their familial connection. The Walking Dead plays to its strengths, showing stark images like the two of them sitting on a desolate porch having had to bury a son, or letting the actors convey the magnitude of the moment with the looks on their faces as they look upon Carl dying, or a bit of both as the episode’s director opts to shoot from below, as Rick and Michonne dig Carl’s grave with the sun behind them, only putting Michonne’s devastated expression into focus when a shadow strikes the right place.
As much as I give it guff at times, The Walking Dead has always been a strong show in terms of its visuals, and has plenty of outstanding performers like Danai Gurira, and it uses both to great effect here.
And as much as myself and others have ragged on the show for a sense of unremitting bleakness, “Honor” manages to spin this horrible event into an embrace of hope. Carl dies, but he dies trying to save someone he didn’t have to save, without regret or complaint. He dies surrounded by people who love him having taken steps to help protect them. He dies believing that though his life is brief, it is and was worth it to do those things, even in the crater or civilization, because of the world he envisions bringing about through those actions. Carl grew up surrounded by all of this violence, all of this horror, all of the worst of humanity on display, and still became someone who thought there was more to this life than that. It is, in its own way, a happy ending for the little boy who wandered around in his dad’s hat in the series’s opening episodes.
That’s contrasted by Morgan, who makes for a strong counterpoint to Carl’s portion of the episode as a man who lost his own son, and then a surrogate son, and felt that sense of nihilism and brutality creeping over him as the only option left. He and Carol maraude their way through The Kingdom in an effort to rescue Ezekiel, and Morgan unleashes that brutality on each of the Saviors he comes across.
Here too, the show’s visual panache and strong performances come out to play. The way that Morgan tears through his opponents, in some instances literally, is visceral and disturbing. Interspersed with scenes of Carl preaching the idea of something better than this endless war emerging, of saying “yes” to mercy and kindness, Morgan can only say no. He kills without hesitation. He rips a man’s viscera out in a tense moment, his hands covered with blood. This is someone who has lost everything and resorts to the most cruel, determined, atavistic parts of himself to cope.
He stalks Gavin like the monster in a slasher flick. The episode zooms in on his staff dragging on the ground, creating a sense of tension and horrible anticipation. Lennie James once again cuts the figure of someone who has lost the most human parts of himself and struggles to find them again when implored to by those on the other end of his weapon.
For every bit of light in the darkness from Carl’s part of the story in “Honor” there is a corresponding bit of hopelessness and descent in Morgan’s actions, and for a little while, you believe that The Walking Dead might just nail the landing on this one, that it might give you a heartening story of a young man perishing, contrasted with a good man falling in the face of tragedy, and tie those two conflicting ideas together in a compelling fashion.
But “Honor” falters where The Walking Dead always falters, when it tries to do too much, to overdo the dialogue that’s supposed to convey overtly what its images and performances already accomplish, and to make everything too over the top, too heavily underlined, and too obvious to pass muster.
Of course, the strong work of framing Morgan as an increasingly heartless killer and of Ezekiel as willing to sacrifice his life for his people is undercut by Gavin, a unique secondary antagonist, giving overly didactic monologues that put too fine a point on the whole situation. Of course, the episode overexplains the fantasy sequences that were cut into the season premiere, showing them to be Carl’s vision of the future, with the baffling choice of him envisioning Negan himself as a part of this paradise. It’s likely intended as the purest indicator that through it all, Carl has retained his optimism, but it comes off as comical, as the kind of convoluted faux-spiritual nonsense that the show does better to nod at rather than outline.
And, of course, the otherwise heartstring-pulling goodbyes between Carl and those closest to him turn into equally blunt statements about What It All Means. This is, as the show has indulged in a lot recently, an extra-long episode, and boy could it do without the excess girth. Just when it feels like the show hits its marks in sending Carl off, just when it feels like the show is being a bit grandiose, but passably so in the moments where Carl bids farewell to his father, the scenes going on for another ten minutes hitting the same notes over and over again. The same excruciatingly-written colloquies that have sunk this show time and time again come back in full force, sucking all the air and emotion out of what had, until that point, been a surprisingly effective exit for Carl.
It’s another instance of The Walking Dead being unable to get out of its own way. There is so much good here. There is visual style out the wazoo, with close attention paid to lighting and blocking and composition. There is great work done by the show’s actors, with Danai Gurira and Lennie James turning in their usual strong work, and even Chandler Riggs giving one of his best performances in the entire show. There’s a noteworthy thematic contrast between Carl and Morgan, with conflicting perspectives emerging from opposite sides of the parent-losing-child equation.
But then “Honor” beats you over the head with its themes, and has its characters make grand declarations so far removed from natural speech that they make these moments feel more abstract and real, and scenes stretch on forever, robbing them of any pace or force. As is The Walking Dead’s eternal struggle, its continuing pathologies hobble the show’s strengths, leaving the viewer with a sense of frustration and exhaustion that overwhelms the otherwise outstanding work in an episode where we say goodbye to Carl once and for all.
If only the close of this episode could be as strong as the way it opened, but no amount of musical splendor, either from Mr. Oberst or the great Bear McCreary, can fix its problems.
People still hating on episode after episode! Stop watching it then... simple solution!
You know those old movies where a character gets shot and he grabs his chest, waving from left to right, stumbling to the ground, collapsing, a nearby character leaping to his aid ensueing a lengthy monologue depicting his life, grievences and other things before ultimately passing away with a deep sigh leaving the other character sobbing until we fade to black?
Well that's this episode of the Walking Dead and subsequently the whole show since the end of two seasons ago. I must give the makers kudo's though, thanks to this I finally know what it's like not to give a shit about anyone so when the zombie-apocalypse does come I can thank TWD for making me into a ruthless survivor.
Excellent episode. One of the very best of the last few seasons. In the past years I've waited for the writers to off the kid, but lately he's grown to the proper character he should have been. That is one of the greatest contradictions I've felt from a series. As much as I disliked him previously, this was one of the most impactful deaths of TWD. And thanks to that, it might save this season.
I didn't realize I actually cared for Carl til this episode. Surprised myself with how much I actually cried.
The episode did make me tear up, but as everyone here is saying, it was quite boring, which also sums up most of the episodes of the last seasons of TWD. All the creators do is separate the characters into groups, dedicate whole episodes to characters like Eugene that nobody cares about, or they just show us one perspective on an event in one episode, then show us another in the next, like they did with Morgan here. Does anybody really care how Negan's compound looks from the scope of Morgan's sniper rifle?
All of it is done to prolong the series, and I've watched series consisting of many seasons like Mad Men, yet none of them ever resorted to this.
The whole episode comes down to the writers trying to justify the stupid death they gave to one of the main characters in the plot and, frankly, it is well justified. They succeeded in proving that Carl's death, as it should be, represents the shift in the characters' line of thought from pessimism to optimism. In that sense, it manages to give even better motivations for Negan's survival than at HQ. The contrast with Henry is also very well placed in this episode. But the truth is that, unfortunately, the execution of Carl's death, which could be exquisite, was terrible and poorly prepared. The show was supposed to build this from the previous seasons, but for lack of good synthesis, it made everything look like a destructive script contradiction. They turned a pacifist sacrifice into a stupid death, making everyone (and with certainly) prefer the alive but unmotivated Carl of the HQs, than the Carl killed in the way he was. The Walking Dead at that time was really having problems with the absurd amount of secondary plots it was creating, and the result was that: good idea, bad making.
When you're sitting in front of your TV, rolling eyes, yelling at the screen "Come on, just die already!", then there is something fundamentally wrong with the pacing and presentation of an episode.
Awful, dreadful, terrible , just fuckin horrible. What the heck did I just saw? I was literally dead from boredom after 15 minutes. I really don't want to stop watching, but the show can't help it at all. Disgusting!
This didn't need to be a longer episode. And can the close up on Rick's eyes stop being a thing? Please
Somebody give me a gun so I can kill Ezekiel.
Would someone please put Carl out his misery!
lmao, at this point they could kill everyone in this show and they still wouldn't be able to save it. I honestly like how they’re not even trying anymore, it’s like they rly want people to stop watching.
This show is as dead as its name.
The entire episode could’ve been done in 10 mins if the writers didn’t fill it with useless talking about nonsense.
This show has taken a downward turn into shit hole.
I wait for one particular "event" for SOOO LOONG but i never think it is might happen in such boring episode.
Hooray guys, CARL DEAD!!
Aside from that this episode HAVE NOTHING. Just a waste of time.
Is this a 2 hour special?
at the bottom of everything by bright eyes playing during carl's montage was the worst possible use of music in the best way ever.
this episode was total whiplash because one second morgan is pulling someones guts out with his hands and the next scene is carl dying
So fucking sad I mean really sad.
Just a terrible show I wish it would end I want to complete it
Carl with a little bit of facial hair is the weirdest and tippiest thing in this episode. Anyways, seeing some of the main group slowly die like in this episode has been done one too many times that you barely feel anything watching it anymore. Not that I actually watched the whole thing. Fast forwarded 90% of the episode. Sorry.
'Honor'? More like horror! You know that gif of Trump saying "All talk, no action, sounds good, doesn't work, never going to happen"? Yeah that's basically the story of this episode. BOOORING
Thank goodness. Bye bye annoying boy.
I actually enjoyed this episode, the split between the two villages was intense, but I will say I was very sad to see Carl go the way he did, but damn did they stretch the death out too long.
I think Car's death was too quick, they should have make it to double episode to end my agony, because I'd die of boredom for sure.
You HAVE TO KILL in a world where other people are trying to kill you, so stop that bs.
i really liked this episode, actually. a lot of people seem to be ranting about the pacing but this is probably the best i’ve seen in this season. both events going on are interesting and memorable. i think it will only get worse from here though, obviously. carl shooting himself rather than anyone else doing it before he turned reminded me a lot of andrea.
Bruh why they gotta do that:sob::sob:
Heartbreaking episode packed full of really emotional dialogue. Henry though…
What was the fucking point of the “you would do the same for me” line from Carl to michonne
I’m glad the idiot Scott got booted from show runner for the mess he created
no matter how many times I watch this episode the opening montage will always reduce me to tears
My second favourite episode. I'm gonna miss Carl. This was a proper send off.
Tara is such a waste of a character. I'm sick of looking at her stupid face. Her whole revenge thing is getting old.
who the fuck is still watching this piece of shit show?
Morgan is out of control. O.O
Could be the reason why I misread the title of this episode as "Horror."
You will be missed, Carl Poppa. :(
Am I the only one who skipped 95% of Carl's awfully long and boring dying?
Lol why tf was Negan in the dream at the end
"Good morning to you, darling"
I hope it will end soon...so boring. Someone is getting killed and you should be sad for him, but after last two series I just dont give a fuc*k and hope all die soon to be the end fo this show
This show is taking a stupid path seriously I honestly don't care who dies just don't make a big deal out of it, The only way TWD will survive is killing all the main characters and let Negan take the lead,TWD world needs someone like Negan not soft like Rick
Mostly negative comments and i have to agree the episode was boring as hell. But why does it still get 74%? Who is voting this up?
It wasn’t the most exciting episode of the show but Carl is there since season one and he’s Rick’s son. They couldn’t just let him go just like that.
I didn’t understand the whole back and forth with Morgan/Carol/Ezekiel storyline until Carl confesses about the kid he killed and we see Henri taking the same path at the same time. It was interesting after all even if the pace felt wrong.
The end scene makes me thing it’s gonna be a thing now in TWD to show short footage of Rick without explaining why and then wait half a season to explain it. I’m not against. I just hope it’s not another dream version.
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This is AMC's... The Boring Dead... zzzz
This show is getting worse and worse with each episode...
But after watching it for 7/8 years it's hard to let go!
This episode was soooooo long and goddamn boring.
I can't believe there are people here commenting, giving it an 8 or even a 10.
I didn't think I would ever say this, but Fear the walking dead and The walking dead should just end it...
And NOT put both shows together.