O_o I never noticed that the symbol was on the lid of the can of food
Can't wait for the savior pussy with the mustache to get a brutal death.
Does Rick have infinite ammo ?
I love Negan but the words to said to Rick was so cruel because he could have stop the fight too.
I think this is the first episode this season that was good. The emotions felt real, Negan's monologue with Rick was good. Too often Negan speaks without saying anything. Jadis was really interesting tonight. Hopefully there's more from her now than the usual cookie monster dialogue.
I can't believe I'm saying this but... Negan's starting to make some sense.
Rick kinda sucked at some point, He failed as a leader, and most of all he failed as a father. Carl and Negan had a very special relationship in the comic book series so I get how he reacted to Carl's death like that. He proved that he's not all bad and he's genuinely sad about Carl's death.
All this fighting doesn't seem to make sense anymore and I'm all about what Carl wanted Rick to do, make peace with Negan and stop all the fighting.
Negan is truly speaking the truth at the end of this episode, Rick is an idiot who of course first thing he's gonna do is not give a shit about what Carl asked him to stop doing.
All this drama is dragging on at this point. The entire season up to this point could’ve been done in 3-5 episodes. I’m just watching out of habit now.
[6.2/10] I’m not the first person to suggest that The Walking Dead has exhausted itself creatively. Eight years in, almost any show is going to have trouble feeling vibrant and fresh. But what’s conspicuous about “The Lost and the Plunderers” is how clearly it evinces the sense of a late era version of this show -- a show that’s always tried to aim a bit higher than its grindhouse roots -- that’s running out of meaningful things to say.
The current topic du jour is war, or more broadly, the seemingly unending cycle of killing that’s taken hold since Rick & Company (which may be, if Simon is to be believed, the official name for our protagonists’ group) first started clashing with the Saviors. And this episode is fixated on the question of whether anything short of one side wiping out the other can put a stop to this conflict, or if painful losses and hurt feelings and desire for revenge and vindication will perpetuate it forever.
And hey, that’s not a bad topic for The Walking Dead to cover. Most zombie-related works focus on the fall of society. TWD’s status as a venerable show gives it the longer runway to dig into how a society is built back up from the rubble. Those efforts would inevitably involve growing pains and lives lost, as different people with different ideas about what the future should look like come into conflict with one another. So now the show has the chance to do some Deadwood-esque thematic work about both the uglier side and the brighter ideals of nation-building.
That seems to be what The Walking Dead has been going for over the last couple of seasons, giving us Rick & Company, the Saviors, the Hilltoppers, Oceanside, the Kingdom, the “Garbage People”, and others as different exemplars of how society could be organized and how viewpoints clash. Those philosophical clashes turn into physical ones, and “The Lost and the Plunderers” seems to be asking whether that perpetual conflict can ever be resolved into something approaching peace and stability.
Its answer seems to be firmly in the negative. Rick holds Negan responsible, if not for Carl’s death than for the death of too many of his friends and allies, to ever just let things stand. Negan holds Rick responsible for the continued struggle, telling Rick that if he’d just gone along with the Saviors’ program, none of this would have happened. And pricks like Simon are too proud not to extract their revenge on the people who’ve disrespect him, when killing is always the easier option for the guy holding all the guns.
I doubt The Walking Dead will stick with that answer. The show has responded to accusations of being overly bleak in recent years with episodes that trend more toward the optimistic, even in the face of the grisly day-to-day of its premise. But the bigger problem is that when the show tries to dramatize these ideas in actual scenes and encounters, it just feels dull and repetitive.
The episode nominally chops the episode up into different people’s points of view, replete with title cards announcing which character the audience should focus on. But in practice, the results aren’t much different from the show’s usual approach, jumping from story to story within a given episode.
Sure, we get to see Michonne’s efforts to stamp out the blaze on Carl’s favorite gazebo while zombie slowly overtake it. (File under: “sentences I never thought I’d write in a review.”) Simon gets to a little extra development as a character with his own take on things. And the title cards put a band-aid over the “we’re going to check-in with Oceanside for a while despite having only a tenuous thematic connection to the other stuff going on in this episode” issue.
But man, it’s hard to care about the show’s tedious treadmill of ethical dilemmas at this point, especially when they’re delivered with the show’s typical blunt dialogue. Negan gets to give another speech about how his brand of “saving” people is hard, but is still the better way. Enid gets to give a speech about it being a choice whether you keep killing or not. And Rick gets to have another clunky back-and-forth with Negan over who’s going to kill whom and why.
And then there’s Jadis, the Vulcan-looking head of the Junkyardigans. “The Lost and the Plunderers” means to give her a bit of the spotlight and some backstory. We see snippets of how the events of this episode affect her with a heavy dose of non-linear editing. Those events include some baffling decisions – like Rick’s choice to go back to get assistance from her and her tribe after they’ve double-crossed him and his pals twice – and the timeline jumps quickly become confusing.
But there’s merit in what the episode is attempting there. The setup of Jadis luring her zombified compatriots into a garbage-grinder are contrived, but the images are potent. The flashbacks lay things on a little too thick, but there’s pathos in Jadis having to watching her dead friends look into her eyes as they’re ground into slurry. The show’s reach exceeds its grasp when it shows that slurry pouring over a non-representational painting Jadis created -- an obvious visual metaphor for this conflict obscuring the beauty of the world -- but it’s at least going for something with all this, however ham-handedly.
I’m just tired: tired of this ongoing Negan plot, tired of the show running in place rather than moving forward, and most of all tired of getting the same reheated moral ruminations over and over again.
And I love moral ruminations! One of the best things about zombie films and books and T.V. shows is that they force the viewer to confront what parts of ourselves and our values we hold onto in the face of a mortal threat and in the absence of those forces of civilization that keep our lesser impulses in check.
But The Walking Dead has been chewing on these same moral questions for nearly eight years now, and it’s all out of tricks at this point. The promise of this Savior-centric story arc was being able to expand on the idea of whether community can exist at the end of the world, to the question of whether different communities can co-exist within it. And yet here, in the back half of a season that’s drawing its central conflict further and further out, that blood-stained navel gazing can’t help but feel dull and sparkless.
Carl hoped for a better world. Rick and Negan both want to bring it about but have very different ideas about how to do it. And bystanders, like the Junkyardigans and the denizens of Oceanside, just want to live their lives, while finding themselves inevitably pulled into this clash of civilizations. The resulting war becomes all-encompassing, and the death of a child, a child whose end became certain after he went out trying to help someone rather than prepare for battle, seems more like an accelerant than a wake-up call for either his real dad or the stubble-faced strongman who seemed to want to play that role.
There’s interesting themes to extract from that, and by god, The Walking Dead tries. But you can only watch characters have those same damn debates, with the same sort of faux-high-minded dialogue, in a wash of greens and grays and the same set of mournful looks, before you start to ask what else the show has to offer.
The question of whether it’s okay, let alone wise, to kill and fight in the name of a greater good, or whether to try to sue for peace, to work something out, is a worthy one that shows like The Walking Dead are well-positioned to address. You just can’t keep trying to address it in the same basic way, with the latest death reduced to set dressing, until the question has been ground into zombie dust.
As it rounds out its eighth year on the air, The Walking Dead can’t keep having these same conversations, the same ethical arguments, without giving us something more or something different, or else the only cycle that seems impossible to break is the one where a television show can’t stop repeating itself.
Looks like Simon is messing things up pretty bad. This going to blow back some way soon and maybe it'll be at the advantage of our friends!
I've seen a lot of unbelievable moments in the show that required suspension of disbelief, and I am all too willing to allow it. However, the shoot out in "the dump" was just over the top for me. The speech to follow by the trash lady leader was trite at best.
I'm pretty much just watching this show out of habit now. It's gone downhill in a big way.
This is the first episode where Jada didn’t annoy me. I was never a fan of her and her people so I’m glad that situation has changed now. But it was WAY too gruesome. Unnecessary long shots and gag-inducing moments.
I’m so sick of the Negan storyline. I’m glad Rick was fired up but if he doesn’t kill Negan soon I’ll scream.
I mean, it's fine and all but the drama is starting to drag on. This whole season was like 3-5 days.
I remember a time when Rick & Daryl were so BA..wow back then when shit went down and they got involved you just knew it'd be sorted in the most cool way ever..these days Rick is..a mere shadow of his former self..I hardly ever see Daryl..the show decides to. Focus on all these weak characters who were all fine in moderation but instead we get whole episodes about them..
Please, AMC executives, if you're reading this, I've been a fan of this show from the very beginning.. I was in my dorm room on campus watching the shit out of this.. I'm now a Dad!! That's a relation longer than the one I've had with my family..so please..if you can get this show back to where it began..youd make this human being very happy half a world away from you in Hollywood in Dusty asf Uganda..do it so can have a nice father daughter moment rewatching this later on
A decent episode... at least... decent half of the episode. Didn't care much for the part where they decided to save something that was already engulfed in flames, didn't care at all about those two other people (you know, the one with the guy and the one who wasn't the one with the "bad-ass attitude and lollypop") going to those people again for whatever reason.
I did enjoy the trashpeople arch's ending and how Jades reverted back to a somewhat more human character and ofcourse the showstealer: Negan, who, in every scene, was just great and laying down both the law and the truth.
I'd hope for more episodes like this but I've been fooled enough by this show to know it'll be the same as before.
loved this episode! love the dialogue and displays of (im)morality. would actually have given this episode a 10 if not for that enid stuff because who cares about that? rick and negan’s different ideas of leadership and how they’re clashing now is so interesting, especially for those few minutes on the walkie talkies where they were having a coherent conversation about carl and not shouting over one another. i love steven ogg’s character, simon aswell and i feel bittersweet in expecting his demise. i feel bad for jadis though, she was a badass and man that was brutal. hope she’ll be back to her usual self soon.
Those harsh words from Negan at the end really hit me hard…
I doesn't give a f* what carl wants. NEGAN MUST DIE. He would make me so misserable and hopeless, I'd rather die than live under his "protection". Don't forget that he or some of his guys like Simone goes aroud the world and one day they kill someone close to you just because they don't like your haircut or some other petty bulls*. I don't like you Rick, but you need to get rid off Negan.
This one I liked... JDM has become my favorite actor in this show. The episode left me wanting to watch the next right away, something that hasn’t happened since many episodes ago and that felt good.
Rick was cold to that garbage lady. She was a bitch but already lost everything.
I realized this whole place was a canvas; that we were the paint.
We could create something new. We could become something new.
I hate to admit this but Negan is right
I went from having no emotions whatsoever toward Jadis and her garbage club to having all kinds of empathy for her/them.
From the last conversation between Negan and Rick it is now painfully aware that Rick is no longer the 'good guy'. Negan showed remorse for what happened to Carl and Rick only responded with a thirst for vengeance, understandable considering all past events but still.
If this show was a football team the coach is playing the bench over the starters and running the team into the ground
I couldn't take the scene where Jadis was putting all the walkers into the grinder seriously. They were trying to make it emotional but cutting back and forth from her crying about seeing her friends dead to walkers getting cut up totally killed the mood. Still it was some decent effects just couldn't really buy into the emotion.
Shout by gemmaVIP 3BlockedParent2022-03-08T09:28:17Z
if i was rick i would have been bawling my eyes out during negan's monologue.