It's a lot better than ep 1.
It's a good episode with outstanding performances by L. Jackson and Olivia Colman, but I do have one gripe with this show so far. It's really a matter of personal taste, but I just don't like Kingsley Ben-Adir's acting and I don't buy him as Gravik up until this point.
How is Rhodey so consistently on the wrong side about everything after everything he's seen?
Or is he really Rhodey...?
So Skrulls have been in the world for decades now and there isn't a single mention to this fact in any of the other recent Marvel projects? MCU doesn't feel like a shared universe anymore.
[7.6/10] Secret Invasion has an advantage most shows don’t -- a bevy of incredible actors who can play off one another. You could pretty much just rotate scene partners and do any variety of conversations between Samuel L. Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn, Olivia Coleman, and Don Cheadle, and come out shining. And while Kingsley Ben-Adir is new on my radar, he seems to have the presence and electricity to make his scenes work on acting alone. That alone makes episodes like this one worth it.
Nick Fury and Talos debate who betrayed who in bringing the Skrulls to Earth. Gravik makes his case for the rise of the Skrulls and the decimation of humanity to his countrymen in a big monologue. Fury and Rhodey hash out not just the invasion but their unique place in the power structure. Sonya cheerfully gets what she needs while torturing a member of Gravik’s crew.
All of these scenes work on the strength of the acting alone. It’s just electric to watch talented performers go at it, particularly when given the time and space to do so. I bristle a little at the bloated runtime of an episode like this one, but it’s worth it if it means we get a chance to see talented performers like these bounce off of one another at length.
That’s a good thing, because I’m not super invested in the plot. It’s all fine. The fallout -- among governments, their intelligence agencies, Fury’s rogues, and the various Skrulls -- in the wake of the Moscow attack is all fine. Gravik taking over the Skrull council is fine. Gaia having second thoughts is fine. Sonya starting to piece the puzzle together is fine. Fury going home to a wife we’ve never seen before is...weird.
But it’s not really what I care about here. I appreciate the paranoid atmosphere at play. And I like the personal and practical challenges Fury faces in navigating the lines of friendships and professional relationships at play in all of this. But it works better as a sort of mood piece and acting showcase than something propelled by the story alone.
For example, I presume the secret science project that G’iah snoops in on is a plan to turn Gravik into the Super Skrull. But I dunno, it’s just hard to care about the narrative specifics when much of it seems like a mix between boilerplate spy stories and boilerplate sci-fi stories.
But beyond just the performances, I like the themes and issues at play here. Fury and Talos have legitimate disagreements about whether Talos overstepped his bounds by bringing a million Skrulls into a volatile geopolitical space, or whether Fury broke his promise by not taking care of these refugees and then straight up abandoning them.
Gravik’s declaration that he’s merely accelerating humanity’s fate has unfortunate resonance in the midst of some of the planet’s hottest days on record, even if it plays like a self-serving justification. And the thing I find so striking is that it feels like he and Fury agree on some things, namely humanity’s natural belligerence. They make interesting opponents on that score.
I particularly like the conversation between Fury and Rhodes, which touch on everything from racial solidarity to indoctrination within the power structure, to what friends and colleagues owe one another. What I love about it is that you could read Rhodey as a Skrull plant who’s stonewalling Fury to serve his own interests, or you could read him as someone who’s legitimately pushing back on Fury taking liberties and having minimal evidence for his claims, or you could read him as the real War Machine who’s simply become acclimated to the halls of power and the transactional nature of that world. The ambiguity is a feature, not a bug.
The same goes for the show’s willingness to interrogate whether Fury’s done something wrong, been somehow responsible, for all of this. I love the “Tell me something I don’t know” scene because it’s fair to both sides. But the dispute becomes more interesting when Fury basically made a bargain -- work for me and use your powers to help my spy agency, and in exchange, I’ll help you find a home. The Skrulls held up their end of the bargain. Fury didn’t. Whether that justifies Talos bringing the rest of his people to Earth without authorization is a fair question, but whether persecuted refugees in need trump authorization and “host’s privileges” is another fair question. And the idea that the Skrulls themselves may be in this predicament because they were too eager for war adds another compelling wrinkle.
Again, there’s a lot of fascinating ideas floating around in this show, and even more fascinating performers to bring them to life. I’m still waiting for the storytelling to catch up to those standards, but for no at least, those other elements are enough to keep me engaged.
Two episodes in and generally liking this as "serious" MCU show better than The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, as this has more engaging character dialogue scenes outsides the usual superhero plot. Especially the second ep, with the Rhodes/Fury scene a standout so far. Hope this doesn't dovetail in the end stretch like most MCU shows.
Colman scenes are so delightful; it feels like the showrunner/writer knowing they have her so they lean into writing the most fun stuff for her character, and she plays it so well. “How very Dostoyevsky”
And I thought the first episode was dire. It’s just going to keep spiraling, isn’t it? Olivia Colman is brilliant, as usual.
I realise that I just don’t care. Weak plot that has been done so many times before.
I'm already suspecting that everyone is an alien until proven otherwise.
i LOVE how much fun Olivia Colman is having on this show
The World is on the side of Russia at the moment.
I'm not sure that's True.
Off to a solid start. I got nervous when they flashed back since when they do that in such short seasons it can often take away from the main story but they didn't spend too much time on it and it helped flesh out the present day tension really well. Loved getting the confirmation of just how many Skrulls there are living amongst us and especially how they have infiltrated so many positions of power. Everyone telling Fury he's old and washed, I am so ready for him to prove everyone wrong. He showed signs of his old self in that conversation with Rhodes and it was great. Absolutely loving the more grounded and mature take on an MCU show this time around, we need more stuff like this.
Yeah it makes so much sense how Fury seems to have no reaction about Maria’s death and he never mentions her again…
This show is hard to watch in the sense that I don’t remember anything from Captain Marvel’s movie and I guess I also needed to rewatch Spiderman’s Far from home movie and I think the skrulls where in Wandavision’s finale? I think they’ve been here and there but don’t remember exactly, same with Fury, it’s hard to keep up when it’s just bits and pieces and not an exact movie.
I can't be the only one who finds this really boring.
damn this episode was a lot better than 1, even though it was longer it was so well paced i was surprised when it ended
This was much better than the first episode. Finally we are learning some important stuff about the mcu lore.
1. There are 1 million Skrulls living amongst people.
2. It's highly likely that Skrulls were the aggressors in the war waged against Kree.
3. Super Skrulls are coming. (writers/director didn't read any source material my a.s)
Talos, I am tired of this mother-fucking Skroll on this mother-fucking train!
8/10
Great
I'm actually really enjoying
this Show a hole lot more
than I thought I ever would.
I thought the first episode
was good but left me on
the fence afterwards, but
this episode was great.
It all seems very serious
and all very desperate and
the tension is so high,
I find myself on the edge of
my seat waiting for someone
to slip-up.
Fury was the Boss in
this episode, I got
Literal Chills with him
and Rhodes,
he owned it like a Boss
and Fury of old.
Sonya was amazing
and how she got results
was awesome.
One thing did bother me
though what happened to
that metal bar she put over
the door to hinder it being
opened cos Gravik and his
dude just came right on in,
after melting the door-hinges
and there was no metal
bar in sight and we've just
moments before seen it
over the door.....hm.
That last scene with
Nick at home, what's
going on there then.
I think fury is a scumbag and gravik is right. He promised all the skrulls that he’d help them find a new home 30 years ago. And apparently he hasn’t done a thing about it. I had assumed after captain marvel that he already had found a home for them but apparently he’s left them hanging for 30 years while just simply using them as spies the entire time. And then for him to get mad when he finds out all the skrulls are now living on earth shows he never thought of them as anything but a tool for his use. Little did fury know that all he had to do was let them live in the uninhabitable places on earth.
Okay, this one was a bit better than the first episode. The Skrulls plan to annihilate humankind by sowing war, and then to take over Earth. Fury's suspected of planting that bomb in Moscow...
Still, my main problem is the transition for Fury - last time I saw him was at Tony's memorial (and being impersonated by Skrulls in Far from Home)... so, why does he spend some time on a space station? Where does that Skrull wife come in? And let's not mention Rhodey's attitude here. (Although, I have to admit I like that "I'm so much better than you"/moral arrogance that SHIELD once upon a time displayed towards Tony, used against Fury.)
So, the Skrull side is more interesting, Talos and Gravik and their respective histories with Fury (and his wife). Fury has done some shady things in the past and using the Skrulls for his own advancement, without holding up his end of the bargain of finding them a home, is way up in the shady things. On the other hand, there were 90 Skrulls on Earth by the time that deal was made, now there are a million because Talos called every refugee to Earth. So, not sure who's actually to blame for the dissatisfaction and understandable anger - I think the parallels to the "real world", i.e. the treatment of foreign workers, the integration of foreigners in host countries, are pretty obvious.
And I have to say I love Colman in this one... she does that deviousness really well.
this episode has some pretty good scenes. the problem is the pacing. marvel does movies and transform them into series, so sometimes we get an episode like this, where things don't move with dinamicity, and then we get some action episodes that feel out of nowhere. olivia colman is truly the only great thing here. some other things are good, but the overall product isn't good.
Feels a little more settled than the first episode, and I like that it's touching on broader world conflicts, but the Skrull infiltration, both in their numbers and positions, feels like such a retcon to justify their premise instead of building on what came before that the series still feels like a big shoehorn. The writing is still very clunky and obvious, especially in how it's setting up their power-replicating Super Skrull experiments, and even great scenes like the ones with Olivia Coleman and Don Cheadle are carried more by their performances than the material. Sam Jackson just continues to feel off, even in the scene where they de-age him. It's the constant pauses during his lines that feels strained and reaction timing that doesn't gel, that legit has me worried for the actor's health. I'm also not sold on Gravik as a compelling villain, because he's so openly cruel and ruthless that he completely lacks any nuance to give his cause consideration, even as this episode touches on issues with integration, how immigrants are expected to bury their real identity to adopt one deemed locally acceptable. The reveal that Fury has a Skrull wife is interesting, but I'm already confused how them having an established home on Earth ties to him spending years locked away on a space station, but we'll see.
What the fuck is this show?
another good episode, and it establishes the threat and their plans and omg that ending with fury.. it makes his character so interesting again and I cant wait to watch future episodes..
This outing proves decisively that Marvel now knows how to make a television episode. With Disney's previous attempt at an action-spy-fight-the-terrorist series plagued by oddly unevenly paced episodes, it's refreshing to see episodes here that have natural cliffhanger endings to wrap up the runtime.
The reveals were pretty good here, they do a good job to give us just enough to keep us tantalized by leaving enough questions unanswered that we're waiting for more. For something in this genre, I would prefer to have some more action, and this episode doesn't give us much of that beyond a torture scene, but it's a setup episode. Given that we're shy of the halfway mark as of yet, a lack of action at this point can be forgiven, to some degree at least.
Shaping up to be one of the best MCU releases in a good while.
Not over until the fat Skrull sings however
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Damn. Fury is deep in that Skrussy.