Did we really need that moment with Miss Minutes? Really awkward scene.
Wow this episode was amazing
A horny cartoon A.I.
Now I've seen it all.
As with Quantumania,Kang's appearance here does nothing to make the character more compelling. Majors is a great actor, but his performance here was just so weird and off-putting.
I fear no man. But that thing... picture of Miss Minutes ...it scares me!
I don't know what the best part of this episode was. The jaunty Marvel Studios theme, the set design, or Jonathan Majors' ability to become a completely different person. He Who Performs.
It took less than a minute to realize that Minutes was Kang's "kid" who wanted him all to herself, but boy oh boy is she so much more messed up than that. So much so that it made Renslayer seem like a reasonable person during most of this caper.
The first half was a really fun take on Back to the Future 3. But then they went back to all the mumbo jumbo...
Jonathan Majors is on another level... it's a shame that these might be the last times we see him on screen (big or small).
What a wonderful episode, a fascinating and whirlwind journey through time.
Not sure why y’all rating it so low. Do you not get what you’re in for? If you want it to be something else, it ain’t gonna. I enjoy it for what it is.
Call me a sucker for Ferris wheels :ferris_wheel: and stuttering savants, but I like it. For what it is. And for not hearing “wow” from that guy every time ;)
Boring. Convoluted. Aimless. Could be beyond saving very soon.
Lol this gets boring and boring with every episode. What did we learn with this episode about everything in mcu and loki overall? Thor wasn't that tall??? Seriously? At least with season one, there was mystery, suspense. With this season, it's just plain boring.
I am getting really frustrated with the dialogue this season, where every scene goes on a minute longer than it needs to because they're constantly repeating exposition over and over again, sometimes within the same scene. It's a level of over-clarification that either feels like they're trying to pad out the runtime, they're cowtowing to studio notes to keep constantly clarifying things, or it's a rushed draft that didn't get to be finessed and pruned before shooting began. Given Disney/Marvel's pre-strike attitudes toward writing staffs, and how badly bogged down Secret Invasion became in many of the same ways, it's not surprising, but a lot is still stuff that could have been tightened up in editing before these episodes were released.
And it's a bummer because I'm otherwise still loving everything else. They're taking the story in some great directions, it still has that Steed & Peel Avengers dapper weirdness. Renslayer and Miss Minutes re-enter the plot nicely, with Minutes taking an especially twisted and creepy turn (holy heck, Tara Strong!). The Victor Timely variant of Kang has ticks that are a little overly played by Majors, but make for a distinct and compelling character. I like it, I just really wish the writing was snappier and tighter to match the sharpness of the directorial and design style.
I'm confused as to what's going on and a bit bored, but I did love them visiting the 19th century!
starting to get rotten. fingers crossed for the second half.
This show is making Marvel fun for me again.
Still not sure where I sit on this season. Also haven't come around to Sylvie yet. Episode was missing a huge amount of Casey and OB.
Loki season 2 just won't stop being convoluted as hell. For the most part this episode has a linear plot and all our characters have very understandable goals. There's a lot of narrative cheating in the back half of the episode especially where every character is always exactly where they need to be for the plot to happen . But I assume most people are more into the plot so this just doesn't bother them as much.
Despite my bitching I do think this episode has the highest ratio of hit for me of the season so far. Firstly Ravonna: I've been craving her return all season and it didn't disappoint. Gugu Mbatha-Raw is a force and genuinely compelling as an antagonist. I will say the romantic subplot with Ravona Ms. Minutes and Victor was so tedious and so unnecessary (truly rolled my eyes to the back of my head when that was foregrounded) But outside of that her character was continually engaging to watch.
Sylvie was also pretty solid here. She's probably the only protagonist in the series so far with truly compelling emotional conflict. Loki has just been riding along with the TVA for no apparent reason but between this episode and the previous one we've seen Sylvie faced with choices and make decisions that genuinely compromise her beliefs and values. She's challenged in this episode in a really genuine way and it's crazy to think Loki, the titular character of the show, hasn't. And her character is stronger for it.
I will say I didn't love Victor Timely, the Kang Variant we deal with in this episode. Compared to the controlled gravitas majors brought to the role last season and in Quanumania the stumbling confidence man Kang was a bit of a let down and honestly frequently annoying. He had his moments, betraying Renslayer the moment she presumed being his equal added a nice wrinkle to his character but for he most part he was just okay.
I haven't taken enough time yet to praise the production design of this season so I'm here to say this show is fucing sunning. From sets to costume to cinematography to lighting design and fucking color grading this is some of the the best shit marvel studios has produced. And honestly the only marvel thing I've watched in recent memory that looks as expensive as its budget reflects. Also I just love 1890s women's wear so Ravonna's day dress with what looks like a victorian split skirt was just fucking delectable.
1893 is the best episode of Loki season 2 so far but it's still very far from perfect. Hope to see continued character and a cohesive plot as he story goes on.
Timley's speech and mannerism is annoying.
This season really feels like a high-budget Benson & Moorhead project; I'm enjoying their convolutedness-with-a-light-touch of it all (especially when coupled with MCU's best special effects and production design in quite a while), but like their films I'm curious if they can stick the landing here.
And lmao at Miss Minutes being down (villainously) bad.
Did they make Kang as a black Nikola Tesla?
Honestly, nearly fell to sleep during this.
I really don't care about any of the characters except Loki. And that's becoming an ever thinning reason to deal with these convoluted plotthreads where you need a cheat-sheet just to keep up.
Mbatha-Raw rocked this, sadly the rest of the episode couldn't keep up.
this episode couldn’t exist and everything would still be fine, that’s how bad this was.
this hodgepodge of a tv show! sigh
7.5/10
So Good
Well still no idea
who to really root far,
This started off a great
time piece period episode
that got weirder and
Weirder as it went on
Then in that final act
Miss Minutes took it
to a hole other level,
Sinister and Creepy
AF. definitely does not
need a body,
Good lord no.
(how did that phyco
have sex if I'm understanding
that correctly, like I said
weird very very weird).
Didn't like the
Rovanna Macguffin
at the end, I mean
I would you do that
to her especially leaving
her with Miss Minutes
(What could go wrong),
Just take her out and
be done with it.
Jonathan Majors
Knocked it out the
ball park with his
performance, I just hope
this is not the last time
that we see him in
The MCU.
The writing is so bad this is a colossal waste of everything else like the pretty art direction and the soundtrack. There's an interesting character study deeply buried in this somewhere, but very deeply buried. It sometimes emerges in things like that scene about thor.
Don't call Loki a loser!:joy:
Wow. Only 6 minutes and 50 seconds of end credits. Last episode was about 8 minutes.
[6.0/10] Let’s start with the positives. The 1893 World’s Fair! I love the period setting. Maybe it’s just watching the outstanding Defunctland episodes that intersect with World’s Fairs in general and the Chicago one in particular, but it’s neat to get to hang around with the characters in a big budget representation of The White City. My favorite part of this series continues to be the misadventures of Loki and Mobius together, and watching the two of them wander around the Midway and take in the sights and sounds is a treat.
There’s also an interesting “Would you kill baby HItler?” quality to this one. Silvie wants to kill Victory Timely, to prevent him from becoming He Who Remains and burn down the TVA in the process. You can understand why, given what the TVA has put her through. The other side of the coin is that Timely hasn’t done anything. At this stage, he’s an innocent man. The idea of whether it’s ethical to kill someone who’s committed no crimes, but who you know will commit grievous crimes in the future, is an interesting one. “1893”’s exploration of it isn’t very deep, but I admire the attempt.
Similarly, Loki and Silvie fighting over whether they should kill Victor Timely to bring down the TVA or keep him alive so he can help them fix it is, as acknowledged in the dialogue, a rehash of their fight in last season’s finale. But that was good, and the recapitulation of it is too, even if we’re going to quickly hit diminishing returns.
I also still enjoy Miss Minutes! On the level of basic craft, she’s just a neat cel-shaded cartoon character interacting with the real world. Her pie-eyed classic cartoon form, her ten stories tall kaiju form, and her spritely orange glow form are all winners. Tara Strong remains a voice acting powerhouse. And I like the idea that HWR gave her sentience, but that she still wishes she had a body so they could be together, and resents Renslayer for potentially getting the jump on her there. I don’t know if they’ll go anywhere with it, but it deepens a character who’s been little more than a mascot to this point.
The other side of the coin is that this one is a mess. There’s no real structure or sense of progression to it. Things just sort of happen one after another, as if randomly and conveniently. Sometimes I don’t mind that if the material is good, but most of the business here is middling at best, a handful of decent scenes haphazardly stitched together. The end result is really lackluster.
Much of that owes to Jonathan Majors as Victor Timely here. I was mixed on his performance as He Who Remains in last season’s finale, but always appreciate an actor making big choices. That fell apart in this one. The guy’s halting manner of speech and Major’s overly mannered performance made Victory Timely seem like more of a cartoon character than Miss Minutes. I don’t know what the hell Majors is trying to do here, but it’s absolutely not working.
I also don’t care about the relationship between him and Renslayer, or Renslayer and Mobius. Both are dead on arrival. I don’t really have a problem with the actor's performance, but the characters and the relationships are underdeveloped, and the pairings are completely inert. Considering that's a big chunk of this episode, there’s not much to enjoy or appreciate here.
Beyond that, the motivations are muddled and confusing. And the plot is as convoluted as ever. Overall, this is the clear lowlight of the season, in what was otherwise a promising episode, full of strange performances, weird choices, and jumbles that are wearing away at my patience.
I hope they know where they're going. Link to post-credits Antman 3
the writing in this show is so goddamn stupid. which would be fine… if it was at least riveting to watch
Miss minutes is the creepiest thing ever.
Beginning to suspect Rensfield is a Variant, too. Not of Loki.
I really feels like characters are just letting the plot go thru them, and the curious thing is that there is actually little plot. So... yea.
It's a bit annoying that in a 8 episodes season we have to wait until episode 3 for the story to really start. But at least it does.
The meh stuff.
1) We're basically pretending there's no Loki/Sylvie relationship left (only to just recreate it in two episodes for sure, anyway it's been seen in the first one). Yeah they had an issue, but it's basically back to they don't know each other, at least on her side. This is so artificial...
2) The loom crisis thing. It's presented as getting worse and worse, but the pruning of all branches should have completely reset the issue for a while.
Anyway, we finally get what was teased in I don't remember which post credit. We meet Victor Timely.
Majors is great. Not that this version is specially interesting, but it is very different from He Who Remains and Kang. Really looking forward to the various other ones.
Now what gets interesting is, who is really ? Is he the past He Who Remains ? Or another variant selected by Him for his plan ? Seeing her obsession, Miss Minutes could have lied also. That could not be part of a plan except her own.
Also Victor was groomed to become more than he would have by giving him the TVA guidebook as a child. Was it also what happened to He Who Remains in his initial timeline ? Being bootstraped by his future self in an apparent paradox where the knowledge of the TVA just appears out of itself ?
The character is well nuanced too. He appears timid and unsure, but he has (arguably rightfully) a very high opinion of himself. And you can definitely see the darkness in him. The way he literally dumps Ravonna the second she mentions partnership, even when he knows she's the one who gave him the book, and he would not be who he is without that. Not long after he also quickly suppress Miss Minutes, but, yeah, she's kind of a psycho, so...
Ok this was realllyyy good. The first two episodes felt kinda weird to me, the direction, acting, dialogue, everything was kinda weird and off putting. But this one felt like it had some actual direction. Again, this was fun.
the usual unfunny Marvel comedy that just borders on slapstick and a very cringe cartoon clock
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I forgot how great Sylvie actually is. I think I kinda conflated her with the badness of the Loki/Sylvie relationship, but like this episode really reminded me how cool she is as an individual
Also I do hate miss minutes bc of how evil she is, but it was very funny seeing her annoyed and jealous facial expressions in the background