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The Expanse: Season 1

1x04 CQB

The science in this show is getting a little ridiculous. For one, who is their right mind would think it's a good idea to have guns as weapons in space? Not only could it cause a fire on board (fire in space = bad), it could also cut a hole in the ship. And the entire "sealing" of other holes in this episode didn't make sense either. If the vacuum of space is sucking everything out because of the pressure difference, the sealant she applies would just be sucked out too. Unless it's a super high tech future composite or something I guess. Still, if you can suspend disbelief in these technical aspects, still enjoying it. I won't put it on par with BSG (early seasons), but better than some of the other sci-fi shows to come out recently.

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@raceforthepuck lol your comment is a bit brain dead.

the meaning of any kind of weapon is to do damage, so nothing unusual that enemies don't care while shooting at you. And spare me the question why some humans are stupid...

And it don't seem you know that any spacesuit, plane, space shuttle, space station today is made from paper thin material (mostly aluminum or carbon). It just needs to be closed space to have correct air pressure, elsewise the air gets sucked. Only the gas gets sucked out because of pressure difference. The impact could damage the material so a small hole could get ripped bigger. A stable plate of most material and a bit glue fixes such a small hole! But nothing like you see in e.g. Alien 4 at the end

What you see in this show is correct physics, most of the other shows doing it wrong.
Ship explosions for the effect, but in reality a hole is enough and the air goes out and the crew dies.
Energy weapons in reality using far to much energy and have unhealthy radiation, so projectiles are the logical solution at that date.

@raceforthepuck it's a Sci-Fi show so not everything is physically accurate (and IMO that's a good thing). That being said I think the show actually gets the physics right in those particular examples and is certainly much much better at physics than the other Sci-Fi shows I know (except "Mars" maybe).

"For one, who is their right mind would think it's a good idea to have guns as weapons in space? Not only could it cause a fire on board (fire in space = bad), it could also cut a hole in the ship."

I'm still not sure why it would be a bad idea. What would be the alternative? Fire shouldn't be a problem for them as long as they can vent the air out (which also happens if you shoot a hole into the hull) and maybe they even have other fire suppression systems. Shooting holes in the ship seems to be the idea if you're attacking.

"And the entire "sealing" of other holes in this episode didn't make sense either. If the vacuum of space is sucking everything out because of the pressure difference, the sealant she applies would just be sucked out too. Unless it's a super high tech future composite or something I guess."

If it's a glue that dries out quick enough this shouldn't be an issue. AFAIK we even already use that approach, e.g.:

  • https://www.cnet.com/news/cosmonauts-drill-into-iss-to-repair-air-leak-cracks/: "The cosmonauts will complete the repair using a sealing paste and a reinforced patch."
  • https://www.space.com/cosmonauts-seal-space-station-air-leak-cracks: "Two Russian cosmonauts will drill holes and apply sealant to stop two cracks in one of the oldest modules of the International Space Station."

However, I to believe that there's a different factual error: The hole seems so big that I imagine the air would be sucked out pretty much instantly (maybe even in a fraction of a second?) and there likely wouldn't be enough time to react.
Edit: I was wrong, even that part might be correct (would require estimating the cell volume and hole size and other factors), e.g.:

  • http://www.spaceacademy.net.au/flight/emg/spcdp.htm ("We can see that a one square centimetre hole will reduce cabin pressure by 50% in 500 seconds (8.3 minutes). This value scales in inverse proportion to hole area. Thus a 10 sq cm hole will only take 50 seconds to halve the pressure, whereas a 0.1 sq cm hole (10 square millimetres) will take 5000 seconds.")
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression (""it would take about 100 seconds for pressure to equalise through a roughly 30.0 cm (11.8 in) hole in the fuselage of a Boeing 747.")
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/32680y/how_fast_does_air_get_sucked_into_space/
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