absolutely ADORE the rotating shot, right before revealing Vecna on the other side, so so good
man the russian plot is really boring
these episodes are super long to say that the story feels thrown together, i would’ve preferred shorter episodes with a more put together storyline
I've enjoyed the watching experience, but the episodes are too long, and the Russian storyline is far too boring. Also I'm not sure what the end game is here.
David Harbour is a great actor and his monologue was one of the best acted scenes of the season but this Russian subplot is still pretty boring
[6.9/10] Pretty weak stuff. Most of the storylines here were fine-ish, but none of them were out-and-out good.
I don’t know where they’re going with Eleven. I am real reticent about them bringing back “Papa”. I know we never saw a body, which means nothing’s for sure in genre stories, but it still feels like a cheat for him to be back. More than that, they presented him as an abusive parent, and yet are hinting that he at least sort of has Eleven’s interests at heart? It makes me uncomfortable. I’m not averse to moral ambiguity in characters or stories, but I’m leery about where they’re going with this.
To the point, I like the idea that Owens isn’t necessarily the pure-hearted guy we thought. The notion that he seems amiable and avuncular, but is actually turning Eleven over to the same group of people who hurt her originally is an interesting one. But I’m not sure they’re going that way, and he’s still worried about her health and safety during the new “training” so who knows.
All of that said, I’m intrigued by what they’re actually doing with Eleven. We’ve seen her power come from a sense of protection, love, and even anger before. But this suggests it can come from a downright murderous rage. We saw hints of this sort of thing, a connection to her powers, with her escapades with her “lost sister”. But there’s emotional depths to plumb if this is what makes her a “superhero” again.
But everything else is pretty weak. The junior detectives in Hawkins figure out that Vecna is skulking around the Creels’ old house, which...duh? It seemed pretty obvious, the point that I assumed the house had been torn down and replaced with the trailer park. There’s not much to glean from the gang doing a haunted house experience.
They continue to gesture toward putting Steve and Nancy back together, which bleh. They also gesture to putting Max and Lucas back together, which I’m on board with. And the meta-ish back and forth between Steve and Dustin continues to be gold. But otherwise, it’s a bunch of cheap, standard scares, and some more arachnid imagery that suggests Vecna is luring victims into his web and feeding on them like a spider does to a fly. It’s all fine, but nothing special.
There’s nothing special about Jason and the basketball jerks pursuing Eddie either. We get another kill, but beyond that, this whole subplot is treading water, literally in Jason’s case. They know that Lucas is a traitor, and they’ve scared Eddie out of his hiding place, but for the most part this is all table-setting.
The California contingent isn’t much better off. Again, they’re mostly in an interstitial phase, burying the agent who helped them and finding a pretty basic clue. They lay it on pretty thick with Will’s comments to Mike about it being hard to tell someone how you feel for fear they won’t understand. The double meaning, of Mike being hesitant to say “I love you”, and Will being hesitant to express his feelings for Mike, is good storytelling though. And I’m interested to see them deciding to link up with Dustin’s girlfriend Susie to take advantage of her hacking skills, which at least adds a new element to the mix.
But the worst material in this one is the Russia/Alaska business. I figure this is supposed to be Hopper’s big episode, where he gives the grand dramatic dialogue delivering heretofore unknown backstory and grim introspection. Unfortunately, his “I am the curse” speech comes off flat and unmoving, despite using the power of montage and other TV tricks to try to make us feel something. Hopper and David Harbour were some of my favorite parts of the show in its early seasons, and I don’t know how this season has managed to drain the life out of both.
Somehow, though, it’s better than Joyce and Murray somehow managing to subdue Yuri the smuggler and successfully crash land a prop plane using only peanut butter jars and karate. Don’t get me wrong, it’s amusing to see Murray deploy his teenager taekwondo on his Russian kidnapper. But even for a show that’s always had a supernatural bent, this feels cartoony and implausible, like a cheap action movie, rather than the relatively down-to-earth take on creatures from another dimension invading a small town that Stranger Things started as. Now we’re getting into hand-to-hand combat with foreign smugglers in rocking prop planes and successfully landing them in the middle of the forest. It’s just too much.
Overall, this follows up the best episode of the season with the weakest, which is still perfectly watchable, but makes a lot of head scratch-worthy choices.
Murray you beautiful idiot :smile:
Elevens repeated "visions" are annoying af as is the damn NOISE in this season what is up with that!
I don't understand either, Eleven. So I find it surprising the team didn't share the knowledge of how to escape the "trance" before you're broken to pieces and your eyes sucked in. Now another poor kid is dead. Probably no one would believe them if they did and they'd come off shady as shit but they could've at least tried. :/
The Russian subplot is so boring, even Hopper would rather die than keep it going...
Leave my Eleven alone!! Psychological torture I do not admit in here.
Very intense episode. I don't really get the Vecna stuff yet and where it's leading.
Mentioning Freddy Krueger in the episode after we are introduced to Victor Creel is just beautiful.
I'm a bit on the fence about this episode because it wasn't even half as intense as the previous one. It mainly concentrates on Eleven's training in a n underground base which looks a bit tardisy unil Brenner appears and Eleven is forced to re-live her past in some form of an experiment. At the end of the experiment, she breaks free and tries to escape the underground base, but as she finally releases her power and knocks out the guards, she is confronted by Brenner and in the end she agrees to come back to the base with him and continue the training, she also begins to call him "Papa" again, so in a way it seems that she accepted her past and does not rebel against it anymore.
Nancy recognises the Creel mansion in the pictures Max has been drawing, and the crew set off to visit the haunted house, where they finally locate the lair of the monster. Max and Lucas reconnect during the search for Vecna, which is great, though I am not sure whether it was a good idea to take Max for a trip to the monster's mansion just after she barely escaped his clutches and is still reeling from her ordeal.
The preview of the episode said that Vecna claims another victim and luckily it is not someone we like as the lot goes to some guy from the baskeball team chasing Eddie. He only sees and hears the clock but we don't get to know what Vecna tortures him with as any other visions than the clock are not shown, he is killed during the chase after Eddie, which probably saves Eddie, but the viewer never gets to care about the guy who is killed. So there is nothing emotional about this death and in a sense Vecna killings are starting to become a commonplace occurence in Hawkins. In a way it cheapens the threat of this monster somehow.
I agree with the other reviews that the Russian subplot is totally unnecessary and even a bit jarring in comparison to the rest of the story as it takes the focus away from the main plot of the fight against the monster. I usually fast-forward it when watching an episode, though Hopper's confession to this ex-guard and now co-prisoner was a bit moving and I watched it at normal pace.
My goodness, writing is awful. Russian plotline, Eleven's memory stuff - oh look, papa is back now, comedy hour at Suzie's... And how the fuck do the cops let Jason speak at all?
De-aging CGI is getting pretty good overall I'd say.
Useless Russia sub-plot is useless.
I feel the big baddie has been revealed far too early and his design kind of looks comical now.
Guess Owens is not so nice in the end. Though I'm betting he believed what he said, and he'll want to help her when Brenner will go too far. Would have hoped the Eleven getting her powers back arc would be more interesting. It's ok, but could have been better.
How Nancy is immediately able to fold and connects the parts to recreate the image of a house she's never really seen, that's really weird.
OK, these kids have seen some shit, but being all calm while burying a corpse in the desert like that ? Wow!
Omg, the "I'm cursed. Everyone I love I hurt" boring cliché monologue from Hopper.... please....
Joyce's part became boring and useless again, still with the usual Murray comic relief, but that's not enough to make it interesting.
Same for the team searching for Eleven. She'll probably be ready to go by the time they find her anyway, useless.
We see Eddie again at last. And the stupid basketball team too, sadly. Now what will Jason think ? Probably that Eddie did it with his super satanic powers... would me more interesting to have them all join the team. All those side plots are just distractions, not specially good ones.
The main story is still good, even if they just wander in an empty house.
We needed a little breather from the intensity of the last one. The plot lines feel like they’re thinning out but similar to the duller moments of a vacation I’m still enjoying the time spent in this story.
Deepfake Eleven doesn’t look like a Beetlejuice shrunken head at all, nope, not one bit.
Will wanting to tell Mike how he feels all season feels like a fan service. Is my only complaint. After all he has been through.
All he has to do is run around with some drawing or something that has to do with how he feels about Mike.
It’s like all the writers have for him after all he has been through, is him coming out of the closet. Which isn’t that interesting since it’s like every CW character in every CW show.
It reminds me of the fan service in IT chapter 2 teasing Richie and Eddie. To please the fans who shipped them. Despite Richie clearly checking out Beverly in Chapter 1.
Where is this show going? This is some piss poor writing.
They should have just left it as hopper dying in the last season. I really don’t care about this Russian part of the story
Joyce and Murray are often so dumb and unserious, their scenes together get a little annoying after a while. Also, I’ve never been a fan of any of the Russian plotlines, so that combination makes their characters even more boring to me at the moment. At least I do really love Hopper, so he’s the only interesting part that’s left from that storyline! I like him best when he’s with Eleven though, so I hope they’ll be reunited soon and we’ll get to see their dynamic again <3
This might be the most boring episode of the series. It's just too long. It didn't need to be 1 hour. Honestly, most of the episodes of season 4 don't need to be that long, but this one especially. Too much filler. Still love the Hopper monologue, that's the main takeaway from this episode for me.
Losing interest in this. Real boring with these extra long episodes. Storyline is a mess. 2/10.
just burn the whole fucking house down at this point. it's the only way
Many a times has a person unknowingly given me a pen that didn’t work. Never questioned it. That, and Max’s crayon art seamlessly coming together to form the house, were a bit of a stretch.
HOW THE FUCK IS DR. BRENNER STILL ALIVE?! And now you’re telling me we have to TRUST him to help El regain her lost powers even though all of this shit was HIS fault to begin with?!
Jesus did this episode know how to make you angry!!!
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I’ve never seen riverdale but i imagine it’s kind of like this