The upside down never looked more inviting :fearful: clearly…
My God!! At least Steve didn't go to the Upside Down alone. I hope the others arrive in time.
wish i can just skip the russian stuff (this review also applies to real life)
Of course the moron Jason still thinks Eddie did it with powers Satin gave him lol. I thought he’d wake up after witnessing the murder himself.
Someone should just shave Eddie’s hair off and give him a change of clothes lol.
Also why is Patrick listed as a main character ? lol. Eddie should be there instead. Or if it’s for diversity sake, Erica. Patrick didn’t get to do much but die.
Seems pretty obvious that one is going to end up being Vecna. Hope I'm wrong.
Stranger Things usually nails it with era matching products, right down to the tech and cars... Yet they decided to just give up when it came to showing Suzie and her 'hacking'?
All those code elements showing on her screen were way off being invented in the 80s. Decades off.
How hard would it have been to whack together some BASIC or Assembly?
Update - If this comment doesn't make sense, that's because Netflix have made a sneaky update to the episode since then and the code is now more era accurate.
i have been waiting for so long to finally see that beautiful underwater shot of the gate to the upside down & steve as he's looking down on it and it was GORGEOUS
then he gets straight up yoinked by that thing and the rotating shot was b e a u t i f u l.
the ending; STEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's not all bad but heck this show is dragging. How often do they want to show us the intro scene again? Also it's like they have never heard of the term "omission". They kind of fill these extremely long episodes with a lot of unnecessary content. And instead of slowly threading the storylines together, it feels like they aren't intended to meet at all. Most of the storylines are somewhat aimless or at least without a comprehensible plan.
I mean there are some "who done it"-elements that keep me interested and beautiful shots. But right now that's about it.
[7.1/10] We’re in prime wheel-spinning mode here. Things are happening, but little of it really moves the ball.
I am so over the Russian business. Every part of it feels so inevitable. There’s some juice to Murray threatening Yuri into bringing them near the prison where Hopper’s being held. But it just seems so insane. There’s no real plan, no way to get anyone in or out, and they were all just in a plane crash. Again, this is a show where demons from another dimension threaten small towns, so I’m not exactly asking for realism. The problem is that these storylines feel like part of a different show, some weird grim spy routine that's divorced in tone and focus from everything else.
I guess they’re moving closer, finding the safehouse where Hopper holed up previously. I’m not really interested in the plan though, sine posing as Yuri and pretending ott turn over Joye and the real Yuri as prisoners comes off like an idiotic plan that shouldn’t work by any right.
I’ve also completely lost my care about Hopper in the prison. Again, this is a big Hopper speech episode, with him talking about how they’re lambs to the slaughter or the demogorgon at what turns out to be their last meal. At least he has a plan to scare it off with fire, which has some minor intrigue compared to Joyce and Murray’s scheme. But the whole thing’s a big waste.
I’m also not terribly compelled by Jason the basketball star whipping up the town into a satanic panic. I feel like we’re eventually going to get a flash forward and find out he became a politician or a televangelist or something. There’s merit to the idea of connecting these events to the real life satanic panics that hit the country around the same time and had folks casting aspersions on D&D clubs. But the whole thing is so cartoony. Granted, it was cartoony in real life too, but that just means it’s not particularly compelling in fiction when you have a bunch of strangers worried that some dumb nerds have satanic powers.
I’m also losing my patience with the rival government agent business. Seeing Lt. Sullivan torture one of Owens’ men for information makes him seem like a generic baddie. I imagine they’re setting up some grand confrontation in Ruth, Nevada where everything collides, but it’s more throat-clearing in an episode full of it.
I feel mostly the same way about the Hawkins crew finding the “snack-sized” gate to the Upside Down. So they go find it. So what? What are they supposed to do without Eleven. Nobody has any halfway decent plans, something they at least kind of acknowledge in their discussion of what to tell Eddie. Sure, they’re gathering clues, which is a good thing, but who are they going to tell? What are they going to do with this information. There’s nothing really driving them, no target to hit, so it comes off aimless.
Plus good lord, why are we throwing Nancy and Steve back together. I’ve said my piece, bu the show’s leaning hard into it at this point, and spare me. The Nancy, Jonathan, Steve love triangle was bad in season 1, and it’s bad now. I won’t deny that the dynamic of the rest of the group can be a lot of fun -- Dustin in particular steals the show every time -- but these generally smart kids seem to be acting like idiots, just poking around at various demonic things without any precautions or thought process. We’ll see if Steve’s “Why don’t I poke at that evil-looking red thing?” strategy results in anything other than him being choked to death by demon bats.
I’m somewhat compelled by the Eleven material still, but even there, my interest is waning. We get it. Eleven’s powers can be spurred by the opposite of her “happy thought”. Her anger comes out especially when being bullied because she was bullied in her abusive “gifted” program. There was an original patient, one the assistant orderly tells her about and then gets tased for sharing the info. The prelude to the terrible event we witnessed in the first episode is starting to drag out, and while some of the hints we get are intriguing, everyone involved in this both past and present seems terrible, and it’s time to pull the trigger on whatever the point is.
Overall, this is all still fairly watchable, but lacks the excitement or momentum of prior seasons of the show. Maybe it’s just the overstuffed runtimes, or the surfeit of storylines at play, but everything feels more scattered, uninvolving, or pointless.
EDIT: I forgot about Mike and company linking up with Susie, which shows you about how important it is. I like getting a chance to see a deeper glimpse of Susie’s home life, and there’s something about Argyle and Eden’s instant obsession with one another that's oddly endearing. But overall, this is another piece-moving interlude in the story that functionally adds one more link in the chain for Mike’s crew helping Eleven, but doesn’t do much beyond that.
The ending almost had me angry. Don’t you fucking dare.
Now this level of quality I did expected from season 4! Three ridiculous subplots is a bit much to follow.
"display: flex;" - Well, Nina Project is clearly from the future. Time travel entered Stranger Things zone. Case closed.
Aah the Eleven Vision again, boring russian subplot again and every scene cut NOISY AF AGAIN. Every closed drawer, lighter lit up loud as hell. Why.
This seasons good but at this point I only care bout everyone in Dustin, Steve and Eddie’s group. Maybe it was a bad idea to put all the best characters together and give them the best storyline, it makes their storyline better but the others all fall flat
the reason training montages exist is to avoid the slow-walking they're doing with El's project nina story hitting the same beat over and over and over again
the most unrealistic part in this show is the ~hacking~
Was hilarious to see Eddie.......once everyone else bailed out of the boat....he just couldn't help himself but to follow.
Eleven’s training scenes are genuinely boring me to death. I’ve always hated when the show separates El from the rest of the characters so she can swoop in at the end of the season to save the day; it’s a little contrived and kind of diminishes El’s character arc and relationships with others. I want more depth from her as a person; not just her powers.
Another boring episode that dragged on far too long. They need to cut the episodes by half. 2/10. S4 has been a disaster from the beginning.
How will killing Vecna help Eddie? He’s NOT under the curse and he’d still remain a suspect. That reasoning doesn’t track.
It’s a good show, but I’ve noticed way too many shortcuts the story is taking this season.
Wtf is this writing, terrible and straight up lazy.
Why does it have to be the lake? Just go to another murder scene. And why the do they want to find the gate in the first place? What are they going to do without Eleven? These kids have done this before, they know what they're against but they act like clueless idiots.
Eleven's memory. We've seen it in the first episode. And now we're going through it again. Why? No idea. I thought maybe it's not what it seems, maybe it was someone else or some strange shit happened. But no, looks like they're playing it straight and telling us what we already knew.
Oh and we got another cheap comedy gag at Suzie's.
This show is running out of goodwill fast. What a shame.
Finally get to see a bit more of Eddie and all the potential of the character seen in first episode that was just hidden till then. "Mordor it is".
I really don't buy that the basketball guy would be able to play the eloquent speaker that not only seizes the control of the meeting, but also manages to convince the whole town, while quoting the bible. And, even if he was, that speech was far far far from good enough to turn the whole town into a mob and literally convince them to hunt children. While the whole police department just stands and watches.
In the end there's no real Eleven training, just flashbacks, but it's good, better than what the beginning showed. Did she really kill these kids because she was bullied ? Since it hasn't really be shown yet and the first episode showed it more like an outside attack I'm more betting on a kind of upside down outbreak. Or from the other branch of government that is against these experiments ? But that would be much less interesting.
Hopper's story is getting great (while Joyce's stays meh). There's a gate in the prison, and another one in Hawkins. I guess that makes up for the evasion plan that includes no way to escape. Assuming the distance inside is different and they don't have to do the whole Russia to Hawkins trip in there, not sure Joyce and Murray would be up for it. And if Hopper ended up in Russia, there should be existing or ways to create shortcuts.
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The out of Hawkins team is still useless though the Susie bit was funny (wow does that computer boot fast, and it still works after repeated power cuts).
Main action is in Hawkins and it rocks. Everybody's getting a little trip in the upside down. I guess it's boring to show on TV but why every time someone goes underwater they got to stay there as long as possible ? They should come up, often, not only to breathe but to inform the other of what they found. He could have been captured before even informing them. Instead of coming up at least to say "hey, there's a red light over there, I'm going to check it out"
Though the plan to "kill Vecna to save Max and Eddie" is weird. First, it seems there hasn't been any new attack on Max, she just got rid of what made her a target. Second, then what ? They tell the cops "it wasn't Eddie, it was a demon and we already killed it", and the cops go "lol, ok, wow, we almost made a mistake, thanks a bunch scooby gang" and let Eddie go ?
The government's agents situation is a bit weird. Different factions (or different agencies ?) that both know about Brenner's experiment and Eleven's existence, and believe in her powers, yet somehow some do not know or believe in the existence of the upside down ?
Only explanation is that they are not qualified, do not have the clearance level, to know of such things. And yet, they are bold enough to launch military operations attacking, killing, and torturing other agents ? They are not the rogue ones, this is clearly on orders. Are there no superior agency to control and stop them ?
Even if they were not convinced that Eleven is the solution, they would know about the existence of the upside down. Or maybe the agency knows, but the field agents are kept in the dark ? While still telling them about Eleven's power and asking them to do what they do ? Still weird.
Why didn't Steve just run back to the gate and get out of there!
Steve's probably wishing that he hadn't been a lifeguard right about now.
Murray Bauman is so funny
Almost done with Vol. 1 of this season and what a season it's been so far! I'm so in love with the show all over again. Each episode served more of the story and left me wanting more especially this one!!! Steve, can't even explain how much I have grown to love Steve. I really hope he'll make it.
STEEEEEEEEEEEEVE! HE BETTER BE OKAY! D: And why is Dacre credited on IMDB but he's not in the episode? Or he was an I missed him? Anyways. Got my hopes up all for nothing. JUST GIVE ME MORE MAX ANGST!
OmG this is some stupid writing.
So. from what I gathered, Vecna is 1 & 11 didn't kill everyone when she was little but 1/Vecna did (the broken bodies) and she fought him.
Fair episode. Didn't like the cops. 11's backstory is kinda long and the chronology was a bit confusing.
This season really is... boring. It could've been great if they had just cut the episodes in half and skipped most of the filler dialogue. It's just dragging along so slowly. There's also so many plot holes. There always used to be some, but they're abundant this season. I really hope the fifth and final season makes up for all of this.
Was really surprised to see an A1000 there, including the Workbench (AmigaOS) style of the early Amigas - and can't forget about the Boing! :heart_decoration:
Not sure if it was accurate it could connect to the internet, though.
But I'm really happy there's still some love out there for the Amiga, so I'm not complaining.
i just wanna know why they're doing this to me. why are they DOING THIS TO ME?
I now feel absolutely no remorse for the other patients Eleven killed at the beginning of the Season.
But I swear to god if this show actually has the unmitigated nerve to kill Steve, consider a riot in the works.
Speaking of inciting riots, I know it’s a reflection of 80’s cliches, but god dammit the cops should’ve arrested Jason on the spot for disturbing their meeting and feeding mob mentality like a crazy person. Man I am SO gonna revel in it if Jason dies next.
And lastly, Murray continues to be awesome and Hopper is such a brilliant bastard. I look forward to when he feels like he’s fully redeemed himself.
There are Tolkien references in the episode! Dustin and Eddie mention the Shire and Mordor and later on, when the adults in the gang find the entrance to Vecna's underwater lair, Steve has a "fly you fools" moment when he is dragged back to the Upside Down world by some tentacles just like Gandalf is dragged down by the balrog's whip. The others don't fly though but follow him underground.
Other breaking news from the episode:
Jason gives the pep talk to the Hawkins community and inspires the people to go hunting for Eddie. You have to hand it to him that he is a great leader. In the end of this storyline, Dustin gets caught by the police.
Eleven has to relieve her memories in order to regain her powers and it turns out that she in fact DID kill the kids from the institute for gifted children who were bullying her. So there is some seed of evil in her after all. It is a bit sad to know what she really killed them since I hoped it was only some nightmare of hers. I wonder if she could be targeted by Vecna now that she has a really dark secret in her past? It would make her a perfect victim of the monster, feeding on guilt and pangs of conscience.
The other team with Mike, Will and Jonathan finally reach Susie; her family is hilarious as well as the plot they come up with to get access to the computer; though I wonder why they couldn't have used just any computer? or were computers so rare to find back then?
In the Russian plot, Joyce and Murray break free and find a way to make Yuri show them the way to the prison whereas Hopper explains the demogorgon stuff to the other prisoners and come up with the idea how to slay the monster.
“…I don’t want you to approach this any differently than one of our tests.
Now, this is very important. If you allow anger or emotion to invade your thoughts, you will fail. I promise. Do you understand?»
«…se permetterete alla rabbia o un’emozione di invadere i vostri pensieri fallirete. Ve lo garantisco. Avete capito?»
Still kind of spinning the wheels in this one, but delightfully so (except when kids are being crunched and de-eyed). The Upside Down looks… different?
The events with Eleven was very boring. Thank goodness for the rest.
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I am still thoroughly enjoying the subtitles.
Wet squelch.
Ominous music.
Wet popping.
Discomforting audio distortion.
Intense synth music continues.