Finally, a larger story line.
I knew Issac was bad news. Everyone was like "how romantic, her and that robot" which might work in those movies where there's that robot/cute emo girl pairing, w/the robot being like "what am i?" (Chappie, I'm thinking of you) but didn't work for me here since I've always seen Isaac as such an autistic douche. They amorphized him to their own peril; now the craft knows he's a jerk but at what cost. I assume they're going to try to reach his 'humanity' in the next ep to get out of this situation, assuming there is any to be reached? Either way we'll probably have a Deus ex Machina moment.
That graveyard was dark! That was unexpected.
This show isn't supposed to be this good!
The soundtrack in this episode is top notch.
And I mean, so is everything else, I suppose.
Damn that guy can sing hella good.
Well that escalated rather quickly
Watch and learn, Alex Kurtzman. This is how it's done!
Depending the outcome I'd say they have just stepped up the serious factor of this show by a lightyear. And we've just met the Borg of the Orville universe. Remember when Picard turned towards the screen saying "Resistance is futile" ? This comes damn close to my reaction back than.
Will someone get Isaac an emotion chip, please? It's obvious that when the Kaylons first took Isaac for "repair" that they then substituted him with his evil twin, I-Lore. :)
Wauw! Now this is storytelling. Every episode of the Orville now has ramped up to this one. Without a clear ark throughout the seasons they have, with one episode, achieved just that. The ramifications are enormous and the possibilities of future episodes staggering.
I teared up at one point during the episode only to be on the edge of my seat a few minutes later... And now I have to wait a whole week for the conclusion?! Goddamn! I remember Starfleet ships amassing together for the war that was to come and I had to wait a year for it to continue. This episode ranks right up there.
NOTE: Damn, a lot of redshirts died this episode! Which is ironic as someone stated not one redshirt even leaves the ship on STD.
So heartbreaking ... and so shocking.
After a series of stupid moralizing Mexican soap opera style episodes, finally the series kicked in high gear. I think there’s still hope!
Wow finally. Such an amazing episode.
This episode explains why the rest of the season was so mediocre: They had to save because this is where all the money went.
The daylight Orville shots alone were incredible. But the entire episode had a really high production value and also the plot was outstanding from the entire show so far.
I like the concept of this episode, I like the plotline, but there are so many plot HOLES. Not only plot holes, but logic holes, too. I think this series would benefit enormously from having an operational security consultant to explain standard security pracices like not giving an entirely unknown AI race complete access to all your secure data, or, well that's all the time I have to write this, so I'm sure you all know how much more there is.
But, aside from all that, I really do like the plot of this, predictable as it was, finding the dead creator race underground was pretty clear, but then hilariously they went and told the Kalon about it right to their face, without backup, on their home planet, with no defence if they got upset about it; that's like insulting a gang member in front of his crew in the middle of his territory
Time for some more Isaac Arthur for realistic AI futures.
[6.0/10] There’s two major elements to the first part of “Identity”, and one semi-works while the other doesn’t. The first is the emotional side of things, where the crew, and Dr. Finn and her sons in particular, have to say goodbye to Isaac and question what they meant to him. The second is the plot-heavy side of things, which reveals that the Kaylon killed their creators and that Isaac’s mission wasn’t diplomatic bridge-building but rather espionage for an invasion.
The emotional side works because it’s founded on the relationships that have been built on the last season and a half. The episode plays his departure as a “Mom’s boyfriend is leaving” type situation, with Ty in particular having a tough time with the departure and Claire feeling torn between her anger at how cavalier Isaac can be about leaving and how much she still cares for him, especially with the understanding that this is just his nature.
There’s an asymmetry at play here, with how Isaac has become a confidante and a friend to the major characters on the Orville, but how he is, ostensibly at least, an emotionless automaton, who takes things in stride that would be emotionally devastating to humans -- like declarations of inferiority and departures after much time spent together. His matter of fact demeanor about leaving is both true to the character and understandably difficult for the rest of the ship to deal with.
The one catch is that I don’t believe that The Orville would really write Isaac off the show. We did lose Lt. Kitan, so there’s at least some precedent, but there’s still a sense of false jeopardy to this whole thing: when Isaac is deactivated, when he declares he’s going to stay on Kaylon, and when he seems like he’s turned on the crew. Maybe The Orville will surprise me, but it seems doubtful that either of those things are going to stick, which mutes the sentimental impact of his alleged departure.
There’s ways you can get around that as a writer. Even if the audience doesn't believe a change to the status quo is permanent, you can still gin up real emotion from the fact that the characters in-universe believe it. But the emotional writing here is a little too artificial and declarative to rise above the level of “solid.” So even the part of the episode founded on something strong isn’t as great in execution as it could be.
Then you have the plot material. For starters, the reveal that the Kaylon, in fact, killed their masters and want to go to war is rehash of the episode “Prototype” from Star Trek: Voyager. That’s not the worst thing in the world, but it just makes me roll my eyes and think, “If Brannon Braga is going to basically write for Star Trek again, the least he can do is come up with something new.”
It’s also just not that interesting of a reveal. We don’t know much about the Kaylon to begin with except that they think humans are inferior and don’t like us, so the fact that they turn out to be villainous isn’t terribly impactful. Again, Isaac being a turncoat is supposed to be shocking, but given my doubts about whether it will stick, it plays like schmuck bait rather than the dramatic betrayal it’s meant to be. I’m also so sick of every bad guy species deciding to invade Earth. It’s such a generic “We need a big threat!” story choice and it makes little logical sense if the Kaylon just want to consume more nearby storage space.
(As an aside, it’s a very minor thing, but why do the other Kaylon have eyes? When Isaac revealed that his eyes were cosmetic, I kind of assumed they were added to him as a courtesy to organics. Why would every random Kaylon on his home planet have them?)
The other problem is that the episode can do creepy, but can’t really do scary with all of this. There is assuredly something alien about Isaac’s home planet, with various stilted automatons looking through colors in an otherwise pale and featureless setting. The score does a lot of the work, but in terms of pure craft, the show does a good job at making the Kaylons’ detachment more than a little unnerving.
But then things turn to actual antagonism, and it just doesn’t work. To be honest, Isaac and his kinfolk look pretty goofy. The Kaylon getup looks like an old halloween costume, which is fine in the context of Isaac as a vaguely humanoid robot in a ship full of humans, but takes the stuffing out of a horde of these guys ostensibly menacing the rest of the crew. Adding red eyes (so we know they’re evil!) and scary music and silly looking laser-head transformations doesn’t really sell the terror of the scene like it’s meant to.
The pacing on this is also weird. It feels like there’s not enough incident to warrant the full hour, or at least as though it’s not distributed correctly throughout the episode. You can tell that Braga (and presumably, Seth MacFarlane) want this to be The Orville’s “Best of Both Worlds”, but the whole “Let’s invade Earth” thing doesn’t have the power that TNG’s cliffhanger did.
I’m still interested enough to see where things go from here, but I’ll confess that this feels like another case of “Let’s do classic Star Trek things, only not as good” from The Orville, based on the first part of the duology.
Coexistence is futile impossible.
Still torn between really liking this show and finding it meh. Again to much "been there, done it before" in the storytelling. If the next episode is going to have a large battle at Wolf 359 I'm going to sign off...
So, do you think Kaylon is more like the Geth or the Reapers? I vote for the Reapers!
it's about time The Orville got a cliffhanger. Such an amazing episode on all fronts.
Great episode. Good buildup, and exciting conclusion. Someone here compared it to a famous Star Trek TNG episode - I agree (No spoilers).
[joke]
- Hey captain, are you sure we should leave the door open? its a hostile world, they might come in and steal our TV !
- No no, leave it open. Lets get some air here. Too many farts!
Boy casually walks outside for a stroll, door pass = 1234.
2 Super smart robots don't see him.
[/joke] haha ! :D
For a cliff hanger episode it felt rather satisfying. One of the most surprising things about The Orville, a sci fi show form Seth MacFarlane is how episodes feel full and meaty. Cliffhanger episodes can often feel like cheating. They cut right when everything gets good. I'm happy to say though that doesn't happen here.
There's a plot point that involves a child leaving the ship and it does feel weird that he left and no one knew what was going on. It feels even more weird that the child was able to elude the planet natives using none of his special skills. But big changes are coming to The Orville this episode when Isaac falls unresponsive and the ship has to go to the mysterious homeplanet Kaylon to get him fixed.
I was genuinely surprised they turned him off without any sort of formal announcement. i think it would have made more sense for the Kaylons to use him to send a goodbye message or shut off message like French Stewart in 3rd Rock from the Sun. They also hint at the fact that save the intercession from The Orville Isaac would have been recycled but they don't indicate why. Is it because he was an inferior model for diplomacy only? Is it because he's corrupted with feelings? It's unclear.
I thought this episode was extremely bland, predictive, and really boring until the last 15 minutes, and then it got really good!
I was surprised by the "2 parts" of the chapter and of course that cliffhanger that leaves you with your mouth open
Stellaris was right! What do you know...
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I was absolutely loving the episode, until Ty — a child — casually walked out of the Orville, no authorization required, he literally just opened the door and left. That broke the episode, for me, even more so when you consider that was a crucial plot element for the big, shocking twist to be revealed. I can't believe Brannon Braga, a Star Trek: TNG veteran, wrote something as atrocious as that.
Everything else about this episode was utterly excellent and this would have been a sci-fi masterpiece, if it all didn't depend on that one badly written scene.