Talk about a night and day episode. That was legit fantastic!
Well...
I was hoping for a tongue in cheek comment in the trap something along the lines of "This is NOT the way", but I guess it was too corny even for what this show has become. Yes / No ?!
Well I'm gonna say it. This is not the way. I was kind of expecting the Din Djarin getting the treatment of what the big guy got to be honest. His show has been taken away. I guess there's always the finale to complete Pedro's contract.
This is not the way. Maybe I've just become jaded over how many shows have succumbed to having no real imagination or creativity any more. Well here's to next week, hopefully the finale pushes the funk out of the way and it is an enjoyable finale.
We got what we asked for, the evolution of the story. Moff Gideon returns and it's a return filled with all the great Moff we have learned to love. Lots has been going on behind the scenes and we finally get some confirmations on what has been going on in the background and what plans they have been working on. We also got the Evolution of our favourite cute guy which I guess was expected with the leaks, but it really did make me smile. I wonder when it gets some upgrades and we see battle mode hit.
we're getting close to the end now and I really want... More. I feel like the story is moving slow and I'd love to get more.
I really like the Bo story. I feel like she has done a lot more this season than Din this season. At least it feels like that at the end of the season. Maybe that changes next episode?
My favourite part was the begging with the conversation between the Order. So much was learned here as they try to build to the new shows coming and the future movies in the timeline. Very nicely done and it also shows the ambition of Moff.
After the last fun episode that let a lot of us down in content. I really enjoyed this and I'm happy. I just wanted more...
[7.0/10] “The Spies” is mostly fine in isolation. The individual scenes are pleasant enough. For the folks who've been clamoring for more plot movement, there’s plenty of that here. Paz Vizsla's big moment worked on me. I even got a few laughs out of Grogu lumbering around in the IG-11 suit.
But this may be the episode of The Mandalorian season 3 I’ve enjoyed the least. Everything sort of comes out of nowhere. Everything feels sudden and rushed. Some of the elements aren’t bad. Some are. But in a season that's been stronger on mood and tone than on narrative fireworks, the sudden turns in the story left me with a bit of whiplash.
Here’s my prime annoyance. Why must we continue to undo every part of the very good ending to season 2? Mando and Grogu say a tearful goodbye. Don’t worry, they reunite over just a few episodes of Book of Boba Fett. Luke slashes all the Dark Troopers. But oh no, now the Imperial Remnant has a new set of even worse Dark Troopers! Our heroes have defeated and captured Moff Gideon. But wait, he’s easily escaped and is back and bigger than ever!
For a story to mean something, actions have to have consequences. Find a new quest for Din Djarin! Find new goons for our heroes to battle with! Find a new worthy opponent who challenges the ability of the Mandalorians to return home! Having essentially reached the end of the arc the show started out with The Mandalorian had a chance to do something new and different with the show’s third season. And instead, this episode in particular sinks us deeper and deeper into rehashes of what they’ve already done.
As much as I love Giancarlo Esposito from projects as varied as Better Call Saul and Do the Right Thing, I don’t really want Moff Gideon back. And if he does return, I’d want a lot more setup than what we got.
Don’t get me wrong, the show has been laying the groundwork within the plotting for him to come back. The bits about him not getting a trial and his prison transport being hijacked all suggested he would return sooner rather than later. But season 3 has been all too cagey about what his goals are and why it should matter to us and to the characters beyond “He’s a Big Bad you already know.”
Case-in-point, I wish we’d gotten Bo-Katan’s monologue -- about surrendering Mandalore to Gideon and disarming in the hopes of saving her people, only to find herself double-crossed and her countrymen all but wiped out -- several episodes before we meet the dude again. The monologue itself isn’t bad. It’s more bare exposition and lore-building in an episode that already does a ton of heavy-lifting on that front.
I like the emotional effect it has on Bo-Katan, though. She worries that she betrayed her people, that no one will want to follow her anymore, that she’s a fraud for carrying the darksaber again after she turned it over to the architect of the Mandalorians’ destruction. Din’s reassurance is heartening. He follows her not because of a fabled weapon or her noble birth, but because he’s seen that she’s worthy of leading through her inner strength and good deeds. She’s earned the right to return home, to lead her people to rebuild the promised land, not by prophesy or conquest, but through genuine honor and compassion. That's a strong idea that adds emotional ballast to the prospect of her leading a force and facing down the man who decimated their planet and now dares to call it home.
Unfortunately, everything in “The Spies” moves too fast and is too packed together for it to have much meaning. Bo-Katan’s old crew ventures to Nevarro to join the Children of the Watch. But there’s basically no time to explore what it might mean to resettle, even temporarily, or integrate two disparate tribes, because boom, they’re just off to Mandalore as a reasonably unified group before you can say, “This all seems a little fast.”
They discover survivors on Mandalore’s surface! But there’s barely any time to reckon with them and what they’ve been through, or explore why they might defect to Gideon’s side, before everyone’s simply on the way to the Forge. There’s barely any time to dig into Gideon’s plans or methods or what he wants out of this whole thing before bam, he’s in some super suit and zooming around an Imperial installation where the center of Mandalorian civilization used to be.
Everything is a giant rush, and without more time to stop and take stock of what this means to the people involved, or establish what Gideon’s return at all and return to Mandalore in particular would mean to these people, little of this has real psychological weight.
Those are the big problems, but smaller ones abound too. As I said, I got a laugh out of Grogu’s bounty hunter droid escapades at first. But him piloting a humanoid-sized robot instead of floating around in his hoverpram is a weak and, frankly, goofy substitute. A giant lizard smashing our heroes’ only means of transportation but without any collateral damage to their strike force is awfully convenient. And most disappointingly, the visuals here were tepid at best, with a flat color palette that blunts the melancholy of returning home, and desultory fight scenes that were chopped up to all hell in the editing bay, robbing them of the requisite tension and excitement.
The only big positive is that, however blunt and harried some of the writing is here, the show does come up with a big moment to seal the bond between the Mandalorian diaspora. Paz Vizsla fights with Axe Woves over some Mandalorian chess equivalent, which turns into a real fight and suggests that, despite an ecumenical spirit, these two tribes just can't work together. Then, when the lives are at stake rather than pride, he sacrifices his own to save both Bo-Katan’s Mandalorians and the Children of the Watch, showing how deep the commitment goes despite fissures on the surface.
It’s a well-earned moment, especially given the onetime foil for Din Djarin steadily changing his tune to a more welcoming and giving one over the course of this season. It speaks to Din’s message to Bo-Katan as they await a return to the Forge -- that their history is one of constantly hovering near extinction, but also one of resilience and rebuilding, a point that resonates with the many Jewish allegories that have run through this season and the series writ large.
But that's the only standout moment in an episode that's heavy on plot movement, but light on the things that make it more than an empty progression of cause and effect, or worse yet, a thin excuse for the pew-pew laser light shows that were always the coating, not the substance, of Star Wars. It’s all squarely fine. Plenty happens in “The Spies”, but not the sort of things that make it all mean something.
Best episode of the season, solid 5. Still episode don't make any sense.
This show wants to take itself serious, but does not have the quality for it
It is great, but Din Djarin really became the weakest character on the show, he didn’t win a single fight this season and that hurts me
THE PRAETORIAN GUARDS
That's it that's the comment.
So Grogu and Mando have basically become Krang and Shredder.
Oh, no! The mini-gun Mandalorian, he was my favourite! Such a badass dude... I'll miss him.
Nice to see, once again, those "fancy red dancers who don't do sh*t" from The Last Jedi, back in action. At least now they've learned how to hit and subdue their target!
Grogu is now a Force-sensitive child turned Mandalorian, with his own mech suit. I sure as hell like where that is going!
A solid and thoroughly entertaining outing. Still, I must say that Grogu got the hang of his new toy pretty fast, given how he managed to get through that very low hole that Bo and her blade made.
I think its highly appropriate that the sub-text on Trak for a 10 star episode is "This is the way." This episode deserved it.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
That opening scene got me so pumped. We see how the Empire remnants fell under the New Republics radar.
Will Moff Gideon eventually be killed by Thrawn? Also so many connections to the Last Jedi!
Soundly the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series.
This is what this season has been building to, and it's satisfying seeing threads finally connecting in a way that doesn't feel contrived. IG-12 (I'm calling it Grogu-1, and you can't stop me) finally coming back around, Moff Gideon finally emerging from the shadows, the Beskar Troopers and Gideon revealing himself to be Mandalorian after all. And setting up the future of this series and other series. The father (?) of General Hux being part of the secret cabal of remanent Imperials, mentioning Grand Admiral Thrawn still being unaccounted for but promised to return, locating the Great Forge and finding a secret Imperial base right next to it. And this is just part 1 of 2 for the season finale. Please let the last episode also be 50 minutes long.
How I LOVED the opening sequence. Pretty much Rick Deckard roaming the streets of Los Angeles sniffing out a lead. I enjoy all the love Coruscant is getting now. It should have factored into the Sequels because it is such a rich storytelling landscape. In this season alone we've gotten to see Prequel-era Coruscant and Sequel-era Coruscant. And again in animated form in The Bad Batch. I'll take it all.
There is so much to this episode, but the only other thing I can think about right now is Paz Vizsla. What a fucking tank. I knew the moment Bo cut the hole in the blast door that he wasn't going to make it because it would have been hard for him to even fit through it. How badass you have to be to have an energy staff through your gut and still be trying to choke out someone wearing full armor with your bare hands. We lost a real one. His son Ragnar is the last remaining Vizsla that we know about.
Complain all you want, getting a fun, action-filled adventure of good versus evil with plenty of nods to the fans and unexpected cameos is Star Wars at its finest.
It's hard not to give it a lower score but honestly just seeing the Praetorian Guards alone made the episode. There were a few things that pissed me off- how obvious the retreat into a trap was. And how in the 20 seconds they used to escape, they didn't use the same 20 seconds to open the front door and not only rescue Din but completely overwhelm the dark troopers. Not only that but the battle leading up to it was pathetic, no matter how good their training, the wouldn't best the Mandalorian's who've been training in Veskar armor in laser gunnery, hand to hand combat, rocket jumping literally their WHOLE LIVES. Plus the giant missiles on their backs and in their wrists...like c'mon. Dark Troopers literally stood no chance. Praetorian Guards on the other hand....maybe they might've taken down over half of the Mandalorians but no way they'd win against that many skilled and armored. Additionally I thought Veskar can literally glance and block lightsaber style weapons....WTF. Honestly the dark troopers, guards, and gideon himself EVEN with the blast doors trap stood no chance. This was heavily forced. They should've just written a more cunning trap versus beating the Mandalorians with pure fighting prowess. Makes me more mad the more I think about it.
Grogu doesn’t have his forklift certification
The best of the season so far by a mile. Finally some direction for the story and conflict to get engaged with and interested in. It's definitely coming way too late in the season and is a sharp contrast to the previous episode, and my score of 9 is probably an overreaction because I'm just so happy they turned things around from last week. But this feels like the show I can get excited to watch again. When looking at it in the context of the entire season and series, it doesn't feel the best. But when looking at in on its own, I loved all of the elements here.
It's the first time I really understand what this season will try to tell. The season was a bit meandering until this point. Now we understand what Mandalorians and the fallen Empire try to achieve. That's a good thing. That's all I asked for. I also realize why they didn't tell Kryze's and Gideon's story before: it's much talk and much explaining and that's why this part is a bit boring. They make up for this with some action though. The fights don't even feel risk inconsequential. It's a solid episode.
PS: can't decide whether I like the vehicle of the Flying Dutchman faction. That's 50% Pirates of the Caribbean and 50% that strange vehicle Barbarella discovered after crashing her furry space ship.
Damn! I didn't want this episode to end.
Now that‘s what we wanted to see the whole season. Great episode from beginning to end.
Funny how now the Empire Remnant has a secret underground resistance against the New Republic. How the tables have turned.
This episode was way better in terms of storytelling but it left me very frustrated. I know that the Mandalorians are not likely to win if they want to keep the mythology. But just for once I'd like to see them come out on top. Gideon has become a bit ridicolous. He's the archetype of a bad guy. He was more interesting when he wasn't flying around as a Vader look-alike. I hate to see Vizla die but I should've seen that one coming because I really grew to like him. Grogu inside IG ? Come-on, he's a Force user. Despite the fact he choose not to train with Luke he still has the ability, no ? And we still must have a monster, doesn't we ?
Now, those are personal and, yes, biased points on my behalf. Like I said it was a great episode as such. In the end I see it as a win for the author if he invokes those reactions from me. There were also moments that gave me serious goosebumps. Like when Bo told them what happened between her and Gideon and subsequent how Din told her why he's following her. The talk about Thrawn didn't surprise me. I expected that pretty much from episode one forward.
Only one episode left and I hope there'll be some silver lining.
That episode ending makes absolutely no sense!
Paz Vizsla: there too many.
But he took them all. If the rest of the group'd keep fighting, they could have won.
I was hoping for Grogu using The Force to open the gate and mandalorians wipe the ass of the imperial troops, like they were doing after they were trapped. What a bust!
Without Vader or Palpatine, the Imperial officers don’t have the same sense of menace, and there doesn’t seem to be any sense of fear among them. Whatever else you say about them, the Sith were excellent motivators.
The Mandalorians try to retake Mandalore but they find that Moff Gideon already uses Mandalore as his base for the imperials.
Good episode, good action, didn't need Grogu in that droid, Gideon's a wannabe Vader with his creepy experiments etc... but the end is pretty exciting and bleak.
Finally back on track after the bad taste the last episode left in my mouth. Threads are coming together and we're seeing the start of the first order and project necromancer... Could that be the Palpatine project? Either way this was great stuff and as for heavy gun Mandalorian, if you've gotta be taken out, that's the way to go!
I mean when do we see a bad episode of The Mandalorian? Never! But I must say this is the best episode so far of this show! Great!
Finally what we wanted to see is here and the mention of that certain someone has me pumped and loving how Gideon continues to come back!
This is the way :broken_heart:
In one word EPIC. Absolutely loved it.
Surely one of the best episodes in the whole series run. Action packed.
Seeing one of my favorite actors Xander Berkeley as Captain Palleon was amazing. Now let’s hope that character will have a bigger role in Ahsoka.
Really enjoyed this episode. The story now makes sense. I’m looking forward to the rest.
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its really annoying that Bo doesn't use the dark saber more