Great series so far. Obi Wan season 1 was clearly a missed opportunity and shite next to this.
This episode really got me hooked now. The first three episodes were okay but didn‘t do it for me. Here the story get‘s a lot more interesting. A lot of new characters are introduced and I loved to see life on Coruscant during the reign of the Empire. Can‘t wait to see where the story is going.
A friend of mine yesterday said that he's amazed how you can have a series without a tangible story. And I can understand that. This is clearly not a show where things are happening within a given episode. It's a whole cut into pieces. Is it frustrating to have to wait a week for the continuation ? For sure. But I like it. It takes effort, you need to learn about the characters, the environment. You build things up instead of throwing them at people.
A ragtag group of people as very first rebels ? Yeah, sure. An Empire suffocating under its own bureaucracy ? That's what I always had in mind how a Rebellion could form under their eyes.
So far, for me, it makes sense.
Very solid follow up to the 3 episode premiere. Really liking the style and vibe of this show.
[7.6/10] I again appreciate the slow burn here. The first three episodes felt like part of the same volume of the story. This feels like the first chapter of the next one. Seeing how Andor integrates into another team, the broader pursuit of the Imperial Security detail, the dealings of Stellan Skarsgard on Coruscant, and even an appearance from Mon Mothma plays like table-setting for what’s to come rather than anything frothing to a boil here and now. But all the material is good, so I’m on board.
I think my favorite part was the business on Coruscant. I have to tell you, I love how easily Skarsgard slips between his public face as the gregarious antiques dealer and his true face as a grizzled rebel facilitator. Seeing the workaday concerns of the Rebellion -- having to raise money and wonder whether different people can be trusted enough to join the circle -- makes it feel more real and dangerous. The frank conversation between Skarsgard and Mothma about spies and funding hits home.
Plus, I love the awkwardness of Mothma’s home life. For a brief moment, you forget you’re watching a Star Wars show and mistake this for a British parlor drama. The coldness of the marriage is palpable but not showy, and it’s a nice setup for the question of whether Mothma’s husband can be trusted or if he might expose her during all this skulking around.
I’m also intrigued by the business at the Imperial security center. Watching social-climbing Imperials jockey for position based on who has jurisdiction and who is meeting the Empire’s standards for arrests and oppression is fascinating. I don’t think we’ve had this close a look at the bad guy bureaucracy since A New Hope. The ways the big guns are now circling around Andor and his new allies is intriguing.
If that weren’t enough, holy hell, the head of the Security department (who played Qyburn on Game of Thrones) is outstanding. His speech about their job being to root out sickness, and his gentle but firm dressing down of Meero for her ingenious efforts to put her finger in the Ferrix pie hits the right tone of mild scolding but stiff encouragement perfectly. This small glimpse into the inner workings of the Empire, the way in which they seem like people within a system and not just mindless cannon fodder, is superb.
It’s also interesting to see the power plays happening here. The Empire taking over for the private corporate security guys who botched the Ferrix operation is some intriguing big-timing by the Imps. The scene succeeds as a sign of how the hierarchy of the Empire works, where even the little bad guys get rubbed out when things go wrong. You almost feel for Deputy Inspector Karn, whose misguided crusade resulted in all this ruin for everyone.
Candidly, I’m the least compelled by the parts of the episode focused on Andor himself. Skarsgard’s speech to Cassian about giving your life all at once for something real rather than a little bit at a time over nothing is stirring. But once he passes Cassian “Clem” Andor off to Vel, everything feels a little more generic and a little more like the precursor to something exciting rather than the exciting thing itself.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of Andor being a reluctant mercenary recruit to a Rebel column that doesn’t actually want him. And there’s something worthwhile about Vel having to sell “Clem” to her team when she herself thinks it’s bogus to add him to their operation just three days before it’s set to go off.
But so far at least, this is the usual motley crew of rebel operatives without much to distinguish them. There’s a nerdy one, a mentor-y one, a medic, a double-agent, the leader, etc. They all feel like real people in the scenes, but they don’t get a ton of shading or details to distinguish them, which makes me think most of them will die in the “suicide mission” op at the Imperial garrison on the titular planet.
Despite my misgivings about the squad, I’m excited to see the operation itself, and hesitant newbie Andor having to play nice with a squad of Rebel guerrillas is a cool dynamic to explore. So even if I don’t love where we are on this plot, I like where we’re going.
Overall, there’s more setup than payoff here, but I’m on board with some gradual pacing and firm establishment of the different corners of this world before Andor begins to weave everything together.
Why did the writers feel the need to give Mon Mothma (one of a total of two ongoing characters that are likable, along with Adria Arjona's) some kind of 'middle aged feckless, incompetent weeb' husband-boy? Like, what is the point? Do they have any idea what they are attempting, or are they just making a mess of things because they don't have a real story to tell?
And why the hell is he just fully adorned in Japanese clothing and accoutrement? It's not even mythologized. The Jedi robes are a take on samurai robes, but it's just inspired by that, not taken-- in this case, literally --from whole cloth. Again, someone(s) doesn't understand Star Wars world building, or fantasy world building in general. It would be funny to see yet another Caucasian man in full-on traditional Japanese attire if it wasn't so distracting.
And then we have the "Rebels". The Tie fighters could have strafed their entire camp, killing everyone, including Cassian, and it would have elicited no more than a shrug from me. Never have I seen such a boring, uncharasmatic, and passively unlikable set of characters in a Star Wars property. I at least actively disliked the 'Resistance'. And I know I like Diego Luna. I loved him in Rogue One. I saw him in a trailer where, with a single reaction and look he showed how charming he is, and there's not a bit of that life in the Cassian of his, supposedly, own show.
I think I'm done. I know Andy Serkis shows up later this season, but I just don't care now. And I don't trust anyone who hasn't been conflicted with the show up until now. It's just the sequels and Mando all over again, but with every bit of charm squeezed out of the lead in a tryhard attempt to be "gritty". Yeah, that's what RO was supposed to be. Maybe Edwards accomplished it, maybe not, we'll probably never know. But this isn't the way to go about it.
Call me if they pull another "Kylo kills Han Solo" moment. I could finally use a laugh to release the pent up disappointment.
I re-watched, "Rogue One," last night.
I like the serious tone of this...it's fitting. I liked, "Rogue One," very much.
I like that Cassian doesn't look down on Droids -- even counts one as a family member, and, that that feeling is reciprocated.
I also like that Cassian at least considers the possibility he might not be up to the task of learning his homework, while still being confidant.
Good acting all around.
The main Cassian throughline really gets cooking now as he gets absorbed into the mission, but I'm even more engaged by the Skarsgård/O'Reilly organizing and especially all those Empire bureaucracy stuff. Just fantastic and textured nut-and-bolt details that conversely feed more real stake back into the Cassian rebel plot.
After the first three episodes, characterized by a not so clear plot, this fourth points to a very interesting development of the story.
Four episodes in, and I can't remember the last time I was this functionally bored watching a television program. The worst part is, while I'd like to move on to something else, b/c this show exists in a shared, creative universe, you almost have to watch to make certain that you don't miss anything of importance.
That's more like it, the story gets more complex with involving Coruscant and Mon Mothma, but also the Imperial Security Headquarters scenes where ambition and singlemindedness run galore. I hope for more of that - Cassian's part as recruit for one seemingly suicide mission is the weaker part of this episode. But there's time enough to develop that.
y'all the plot is plotting. there isn't a single moment that doesn't feel motivated and vital. I'm so emotionally invested in all these threads for real. like what's up with Mon Mothmar's marriage. All the shit she and Luthen are doing in the background, the imperial power plays and office politics. plus the plucky resistance group and its inter-group tensions. it's all just singing rn.
Given that this episode is 50 minutes, it makes me even more confused that they opened with three half hours when they could have absolutely tightened that into two episodes (or, honestly, even one). Either way, this gets us off and rolling well with Skarsgard shining in every single scene. I like the fallout of the opening arc, with characters from the empire sliding in as power is usurped over the corporate sector, and Andor settles into a rebel heist plot. The tensions and surprise of his presence is well played, but even as we settle in, it's starting to draw out character beats a bit much, even though they remain compelling and well played.
Overall a good episode but this show is really a tad too slow for my taste.
It's always nice to see more of Coruscant and it was interesting to learn new things about the Imperial politics.
That apex of disaster speech was also nice :D
hooo yeah, this is really doing it for me lol
i have nothing more to say except that i'm really stoked to see just where everything goes, cause now it really feels like we got our pieces in play, and we're just getting into a battle lol
More piece moving, but the stories they’re setting up could be epic. Cassian’s new friends seem like an interesting collection of talent and oddballs.
Why'd he have to shave his beard lol
Anyway, it was cool getting to see Coruscant again. I've been wanting to see it in a non-prequel trilogy setting for quite some time.
Perrin thinks Sly Moore is fun?!
I didn't need the corporate security to be replaced by the empire and the ISB was a bit too clean and futuristic considering that the Death Star was the absulute prestige project and did not even come close to what the ISB HQ looked like here. (Which is of course because it was created some 40 years ago.) I did really like the internal squabbles however. This is exactly what I imagine the emperor would be grooming in order to avoid someone accumulating too much power.
It was nice to see Coruscant but the interiors just don't have much of a look and feel of Star Wars. Not even of anything in the EU that I know of. Combined with the lack of any aliens there are a few too many times where this episode completely loses its connection and could just be any story in any universe.
The story around Andor is at times captivating but I am not so sure about Mon Mothma so far. Especially since she looked the same in every single depiction of her so far and for this series her look is suddenly changed. I am rather conflicted about that.
Even in terms of style and presentation the episode took a 180 degree turn. Previously it was all about atmosphere and without a lot of words. Now suddenly there is more dialogue - or rather monologue - than in all prior episodes combined and the maxim of "Show don't tell" is constantly disregarded.
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Always a pleasure to see Alex Lawther