omg now the computer has emotions too...
its an "organic" evolution says the machine :D
I hear nothing... put it on speakers... still nothing...
I know generation X has a sensitivity of about 3 after growing up in the 80's and we really needed to fix that, but this episode had it turned up to 11. This is NOT how a vessel operates, civilian or not, and I sincerely doubt it'll change that much by then. Now the on board computer needs counseling, people can leave their post during a crisis and have a little debate about orders.
Sweet Roddenberry make it stop ! Somewhere in that room are people capable of writing good sci-fi, each week they get so freaking close and then the dialogue passes through the Dense Monologue Aggregator . At a certain point I was convinced the writers were trolling us by paying tribute to that episode of Southpark. Sensors are sensors no matter how much the computer "meditates" they can't go full Jedi after playing a simple game and get past the technical limits.
If I showed this episode to my kid's school PTA supermom ( you know the one ) she'd say they are overcompensating.
This show is so "woke" that now the fuckin' SHIP has feelings.
they've lost their minds, a computer with emotions, with a voice that sounds like telephone porn and a new super sensitive trill :joy::laughing:
Now even the computer has an emotional breakdown. Only positive thing I can think about since this show started is that Burnham's hairstyle has improved.
I guess it will be hard to make it any worse.
Just when you think this show can’t get any worst, we are proven wrong with this episode. Wow that was terrible. Hoping the show gets better.
Star Trek: Short Treks: Season 1
1x02 Calypso
I don't know if having watched that would make any difference -- but, for me, knowing Zora's future -- that she will be left alone with one order to follow -- which she does with utter loyalty...gives this an edge of horrible sadness.
And, perhaps some have forgotten how Zora's consciousness came to be...the trove of data that the crew committed themselves to protect, lest it fall into the wrong hands and eschew the end of all organic sentient life in the galaxy...? Just sayin' not like she asked to become conscious.
Reading some of the comments, it's almost like many would argue Data, from STNG, shouldn't have won his court case where it was argued he didn't deserve human rights...or, that all the episodes where unconventional sentience was found didn't deserve free will and protection.
Zora isn't the main character, or the main thrust of the show, but she will be part of the ship for thousands of years after the crew abandons ship. That's canon. (Get used to it.)
At some point it really gets ridiculous.
Sorry, but this show gets worse every episode. There's so little plot and so much exaggerated drama... sorry, but that's not Star Trek but some daytime soap.
First of all : Jonathan Frakes Directed the shit out of this episode. The Discovery burning scene at the sound of Stormy Weather was just beautiful to watch.
What we fail to realize is that Star Trek also, - I say also because Trek is about many things - Is about what we, as viewers, need to remember and see and aspire to the future. TOS was about diversity and acceptance, with black women, Russian teenagers and Japanese swordsman guided by an American misogynist with serious problems at following rules, but with a great capability of seeing the strength in their diversity. A much-needed point of view for the 60s.
TNG and DS9 had this more realistic approach in their stories, dealing more with the personal drama, adding the Counselor position and showing the need of dealing with the psychological result of being so advanced. Just as we move forward from several distressful political changes in our world in the late 80s and the 90s. Voyager and finally Enterprise had this message of "finding our way back" and "looking where everything started" that came with the late 90s and early 2000s when humanity decoded the DNA code and shifting to the internet world.
And now we get Discovery: A series about a society that acknowledges their traumas, and accepts that everyone in some way was traumatized in their lives and if they don't deal with this now, we will never be able to move forward. We have a show about people talking about their feelings - yes, we can do that too - just as in TNG or in DS9, but this time the hole series is about that need, that desire to heal, to mend, to fix.
The computer becoming emotionally sentient is nothing but a new level of this idea that adding feeling to the equation is not detrimental, is evolutionary. And in a detached and divisive society that we live today, that is exactly what Trek need to talk about. A future where we are not afraid of dealing with our traumas and moving forward a better being.
It is no mistake the symbol of the show is cracked by a rift, the person inside this society are also cracked, and their evolution is emotional.
I was so confused since I started this season, trying to understand why I was so detached from its massage, and why people were so bothered about a show presenting why everybody needs therapy and talk about their traumas. And then it hit me : this is what we need to see, and our frustration with the show's message just proves it.
Edit: The allusion to Hal 9000 singing "Daisy" Scene from Kubrick's 2001 was just priceless!
I actually had to force myself to watch this episode from start to finish. As a fella in my 50's who has always been a fan, and watched every series (except DS9 for some reason haha), it really makes me sad to say that I think I'm done with Star Trek. It's not just this show, it's the vast majority of the shows in the past 2 to 4 years. I'm sure I'll finish watching this season, because I've already invested some time with it, and I'd like to see it through. I can only hope the remaining episodes aren't as tedious. Season 5? There's absolutely no chance I'll be watching.
"I can sing you a song". Holy Hell, you've got to be fucking kidding me....
Please, please, PLEASE let House of the Dragon buck this horrifying woke trend. No matter HOW much I'm looking forward to it, if it's this same bullshit, I'll be out after the first or second episode. I'll just go back to watching reruns of all my fave old shows from the 70's and 80's. Yeah, they were pretty corny at times and of course the special effects are super-dated, but at least for the most part they weren't preachy and 'woke'.... Fuuuuuuck.
reason to keep watching: soon Q comes and ef them all :grin:
Would be great if all the people who went out of their way to comment how much they hated the show for like the past four seasons every single week just... stopped watching it.
Now the computer starts to talk about its feelings too? It makes at least sense given the computers evolution shown in previous seasons (I doubt many remember though since too much is happening in this show).
This episode isn't fantastic but it ain't actually too shabby (compared to all earlier episodes). Why is that? Cause it's kind of a peaceful episode rather than just explosions and racing through space from one inconsequential adventure to another. It feels more like Star Trek. They are trapped (like the Enterprise and Voyager before) and they need find a way out. Simple story - good story . And they need to discuss the old Data to be or not to be riddle: machine or life form? Is technology our savior or will it devour us eventually? At least there's that tiny bit of philosophy. Another pro: the cat.
It has the obvious flaws though: feelings, psycho talk, and Burnham playing again the heroine from a Tron movie. Really everyone is leaving into the buffer so that the Captain can save the world again? Who needs a crew anyway?
Not even our beloved Jonathan Frakes was able to save this dumpster fire of an episode :cry:
9/10
Superb Episode
Holy-smokes
This Was Absolutely
Frickin Awesome.
This season just goes from
strength to strength as
does this show without one weak
are bad episode this show is
Flawless.
Once again another thrilling episode
and the vfx as always were off the charts,
Stunning and beautiful.
Captain Burnham
Is an ultimate badass
And definitely my absolute
favourite Captain of all time.
This episode had everything
and it was so amazing
and tense, I loved every single second of it.
The Discovery
is my favourite ship ever
and I love what the
spear-data has done to her.
So unique and
super awesome.
I love Zora I could
Listen and Talk
To her all day
Fcuk Yeah.
"Zora I am so glad
you are with us".
I've been liking the show but I really didn't like this development of the ship
Okay. At this rate, before the season is over, lead characters will be getting confused about their genders and building safe spaces to protect them from white people (even if there aren't any around), who are all racists. Gray will be promoted to captain and Discovery's mission will be changed to preach the joy of wokeness while all the crew ever do is talk about their emotions.
Really getting out there with the writing. I'm going to give it a little bit but come on..
Also
Did I catch a glimpse of Commander Data in the family tree at the very end?
guiness record number of executive producers on 1 episode :thumbsup:
I didn't think this could get any worse-wrong! Total waste of time, removed from Trakt watching etc. Tilly is the most annoying character ever, (surpassing even Jar Jar Binks) closely followed by the rest of this touchy-feely, woke bunch of a crew. Bad,bad,baaad!
Not a single positive comment about this episode. If you all don't enjoy it or think it's good, why do you bother watching?
Next week Zora gets gender pronouns!
I find it absolutely hilarious that the big complaint about this episode is that a computer is experiencing emotions or thinks it is experiencing emotions and that's just too far for some people lol.
We live in a world where advanced AI is not outside of our reach. We have the beginnings of humanoid robots expressing emotion and AI programs trained to express themselves using human emotions. The idea that 1,000 years from now computers wouldn't be far better at this is absolutely absurd. It's no more 'impossible' than invisible shields or the magical walls in the brig that somehow maintain atmosphere and are near indestructible (or warp speed or a mycelium network lol this is all fiction.)
I think all in all this was decent for a filler episode. We checked in with how Book is doing after, well, the anomaly destroyed everything a few episodes ago. We touched bases with Gray (who, after not having a physical body for a long time) is now making friends with the computer. Those interactions seemed a little odd/forced to me.
The interactions between Stammets and Book were wholesome. After Stammets has been struggling with Tarka the past few episodes (and also with working well in a team) it seems he's trying to make extra efforts. Seeing some of this between Stammets and Book added another layer to the show and even though Book gave some skeptical expressions in response, this seems like the set up to what could potentially be a great friendship (collaboratively for Stammets and socially/emotionally for Book.) Especially after everything that he's lost, finding a home and a family on Discovery seems possible and I hope the show goes that way.
I was more than a little surprised that the other members of the crew didn't fight to stay with Michael when they were all facing imminent doom as the ship dissolved. This felt very out of character for some of the major supporting characters of the show (like Saru, Rhys, Owo, and Keyla.) AND ESPECIALLY BOOK?!?! What? They all refused to allow her to fly the Discovery into the future because they didn't want her to be alone so they went with her, knowing it could mean death, but a dissolving ship going through a plasma barrier (generating massive heat and basically turning the ship into an Easy Bake) is too much?
My only complaint is that it seems that whoever wrote this episode didn't know the characters they were writing about. It's very unlikely there was only one EVA suit but if that were the case then it should have been mentioned in the show at least.
Zora meets EDI (Mass Effect) would be a cool crossover if they somehow transport to an alternate universe :)
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the active users on here are hilarious. each episode is "it can't get any worse" or something along those lines. and yet, without missing a beat, there they are on the next episode, commenting almost the same thing. i don't get how y'all spend so much time on something you "don't like" but your activity and effort says otherwise.