Enough with the sparks and gas flares, reminds me of a sports event.
[7.6/10] I've had my qualms about this season, but I enjoyed this as a final note to go out on. It's hard to think of something truer to the Star Trek ethos than the idea that the gravest threats are not solved with phasers or torpedoes, but rather forging a connection and appealing to sense of unity even amid the uncertain and unknown. There's some elements of convenience here -- mainly how quickly we go from exchanging pictographs with the 10-C to being able to have full conversations with them -- but the heart's in the right place on this one. Between back-to-basics plots like away missions and problem-solving, and this closing affirmation of the franchise's core values, season 4 has definitely felt like the most Star Trekkian of Discovery's run so far.
Why the FFFF did they bring Book back?? There was one (1) emotional moment of losing him and then he gets resurrected 5 minutes later?! Nothing has consequences. You can apparently screw the federation up and down and all you get is community service?
Now that’s how you end a season! Thank you Star Trek Discovery you nailed it.
The feel good factor and the promise of a bright future, should the writers pull their fingers out and flesh out these characters.
New possibilities are now open to them and it’s time for them to in true Michael Burnham fashion to say “Let’s fly”
All the negative Nancy’s how many times can you say woke, does it empower you with rage when you do???
All the republican comments make me cringe, throwing WOKE around like it's an insult. Have any of these Nazis EVER watched Star Trek? It was "woke" LONG before that was even a slur.
Okay... once again... why have discussions in the middle of a major crisis? Burnham is the captain, she issues orders, even the president of the UFP can't change that as she's not in the chain of command. The only thing those discussions do is show that Burnham is weak at making decisions and giving hard orders. She's the captain, not the chaperon of some boy/girlscout-summerholidays. Leadership's needed here.
Why is communication with 10-c suddenly so easy that it conveys complex ideas? Last time it was about simple maths-equations... And quite frankly, all moralistic shame-on-you-you've-killed-so-many-people-albeit-inadvertantly speeches aside, why can't 10-c articulate their reasons for the DMAs? I mean, it's all good and well that they realized that what they did had consequences on other species, but the whole thing comes across as incredibly patronizing.
I liked the way Book's erstwhile "death" was shown, Burnham taking a moment, then collecting herself and move on... but honestly, did anyone think he was really dead? Other than the message via the chief engineer there was no contact... and if we know anything about Discovery, it's that they LOVE to talk about feelings. So of course, Book had to be alive and returned to Burnham. And of course, he gets to deliver his moralistic speech... mind you, without his actions, the first dma wouldn't have been destroyed, which brought about the creation of the second dma that threatened Earth etc. And now he works at some kind of help centre for those affected by this second dma. Yeah... what a punishment.
Of course, Tilly had to return - hopefully for the last time. I'd rather have seen more of the evacuation efforts and less of Tilly and the admiral waiting around, drinking whisky.
The less said about Saru and the Vulcan president, the better. (And BTW, how can she even contact 10-c telepathically through windows? I thought Vulcans needed direct physical contact (i.e. touch) for telepathy.) But at least, we got some handholding... what are they, teenagers?
Unless I radically change my mind, this will be the last season I followed of Discovery. Sorry, I like some of the ideas, but the characterization, the soap-opera-ish quality, all the dramatic whispering are infinitely more annoying than the appeal of those ideas.
well star trek is officially ruined too much political bull sh*t I mean come on Stacey Abrams
Im so relieved this season is finally over. Can only wish they cancel it so its over for good.
Star trek is gone. I miss Piccard.
Well I really enjoyed that. I thought it was a very satisfying end to the season and would have been a good series finale if they had chosen to stop here.
The only real issue I had with it is that General Ndoye got off far too lightly. She should have either died in the "suicide" mission, or faced any kind of repercussions for her actions.
It's also a shame to see more people complaining than not again, it had really started to feel like they'd all started to move on and actually stop watching as they like to claim they will. Guess there will always be people who watch for the sole purpose of looking for something to complain about.
Discovery has fulfilled the Star Trek creed to boldy go where no one has gone before, they have discovered and connected with new species, themselves and us. Mission accomplished.
I loved it. Bring on the next season.
In this episode, US Democratic party politician Stacey Abrams plays Jabba the Hutt. I know dude. It's like a multiverse crossover thing. I tell you! :rofl:
A good final episode. The way Book came back was so unexpected. :thumbsup_tone1::thumbsup_tone1:
Star trek is gone. I miss Piccard.
gerr. an entire season to come to this as a conclusion? fourth season better be something amazing or the show has traversed out into the unknown and got lost.
This felt more like More WOKE, Virtue Signalling than our Science based Star Trek we've all come to love. Nevertheless, being a Sci-Fi fan, I tried to ignore the Virtue Signalling and relaxed into the episode, which felt it was based on Emotion and trying to make the Audience feel good,.... Then, BOOM, the Woke culture slapped me around the face again when Earths president walked off the shuttle and all I saw was Freaking !!!Stacey Abrams!!! and the whole WOKE Culture was thrown to the forefront of my mind.... Thanks for Ruining what could have been an awesome Star Trek!... I hope Strange New Worlds with Captain PIKE doesn't go down this road.
You know, I think what Dee Bradley Baker does with his voice, Doug Jones does with his body -- that thing he does with his arms as he walks is so alien, and graceful.
That was such a satisfying episode -- the show could end now, and I'd be happy. But, i hope it keeps going (and, I hope they do more Short Treks)!
[Edited by me to remove political statement. My apologies to the group -- this is not the forum for politics.]
And they're back in full action mode: blasts, explosions, flickering monitors, sparks flying, shaky cameras, spore drive being used as a thruster .... What happened to the more subtle, more science based, more logical, more calm approach of the two last episodes, which actually capture some of the real Star Trek spirit?
Only the admiral back at home perhaps behaves like a calm Star Trek officer (even Tilly tries to). Though the whole evacuation sub-plot is useless: can't they show the evacuation of civilians and the panic that must have been inspired on those worlds? Instead they show some arguably brave soldiers on a generic command bridge organizing the evacuation. I appreciate Tilly's personal growth but why should I care about her? She was annoying (but somewhat funny - I'll give her that) and she was clearly written out of this season and now she returns in the final episode just to show she's perhaps red shirt material too?
But most of the other officers behave like intimidated or immature teenagers: Entire worlds are at stake, the president actually risking her life by connecting her mind to the species, but the bridge crew seems very much interested contemplating personal issues, like Saru's little amour fou, like the Captain being obviously paralyzed by the fact that Book is about to die (remember: she wasn't able to destroy Book's ship in the first place by obviously not executing a Star Fleet issued command) and like the bridge crew discussing who's about to pilot that shuttle into (what they believe) is certain death (and so forth) Why can't the captain just issue orders?
The whole communication scene and ultimate resolution is totally screwed up. Even given that this specie's communication is heavily based on feelings, I can't believe that such pathetic Hollywood BS is a meaningful way to communicate and to negotiate a "cease fire". They could also have elaborated on the astonishing fast progress: they went from exchanging simple mathematical patterns to almost (as in: bad) poetic lines w/o any difficulties. And then, boom!, Book is alive again. 'cause why not? Discovery jumps frantically through space and time, why should death be an ultimate barrier that the writer's can't bend if that's convenient? Why adhere to the laws of physics anyway? And in the spirit of true BS Hollywood pathos this show of course needs Book to be alive 'cause nothing but a 100% happy ending will do.
To me, this finale is super unsatisfactory.
One of the writers watched Arrival.... Watch that instead, it's better done.
Is it just me or was there a piece of The Motion Picture in all of this??
Am I going out of my mind.
Star Trek Discovery has some really good moments and some pretty frothy ones.
Not brilliant but not a disaster either.
I'm noticing a largely disproportionate number of African and Caucasian people as opposed to all the other ethnicities that exist in the world like Spanish, Indian, and the East-Asian and Middle-Eastern areas.
My memory could be wrong, but throughout the whole series I only remember seeing fewer than 7 people from any other ethnicity, like
Chinese (Georgeau)
Korean (Rhys)
Japanese (Kanagawa)
Native North American (that one guy from the prison planet with the green orb)
And other minor characters
Around 95% of the casting seems to have been only African or Caucasian
I grew up in BC, Canada which is known for it's very diverse population, so my bias comes from growing up around, and understanding, all kinds of ethnicities, which is why a cast majorly limited to Africans and Caucasians sticks out to me.
I think this limitation might just be a result of Hollywood's current traditions and biases when it comes to finding, selecting, and giving (or not giving) acting opportunities to actors from various backgrounds or from film industries in other countries, or it may be politically motivated, or both.
Also, the communication between Starfleet and S10C developed way too fast, in what 12 hours they were able to go from zero understanding, to a maths-based bridge language, to fully translating linguistically complex political and emotional sentences?
I know there's cutting things for the sake of screen time, but come on. The movie Arrival (which Species 10C mirrors) is about learning a completely different type of alien language, and if I remember, they use the whole 2.5h movie and over several weeks of in-movie time, to take the first step of beginning to understand each other at a basic level. This show goes from 0 to complex phrases in 2 episodes and 12 hours of in-show time
The way around this could've been using T'Rina's mind meld, explaining that she gained an understanding of their language, and input that data into the translation algorithm, but they didn't use that
Using Book's empathy powers is actually the 2nd good way around this, and they did use that, but it was already after the translators magically started working perfectly
I enjoyed most of this episode being plot-focused, progressing the mission with 80%+ of the screen time
I like (and predicted) S10C saving Booker by holding his transporter beam. The moment Book's signal didn't get through to beam onto Discovery, I immediately thought S10C would save it. And right after Burnham said Book was important to her and saw the cloud of light, I went "Hah! There he is". That was fun
When Book said "That's not good enough" just to keep the DMA away, I liked how they showed Rillac getting freaked out because Book is known to be unstable and could demolish all the diplomacy so far
It was epic when Book's empathy power symbol connected with all the 1000s of S10C. That was perfect, because they both communicate via emotion and neural connection
One of Star Trek's best first contact stories ever, buttressed by real science from the show's contingent of excellent science advisors. How about that ending, one of Trek's best ever cameos with a real-life hero!!
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Literally the worst pile of emotional garbage ever. Completely predictable and all characters appear to have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. What a waste of intellectual property.