The homophobia was a genuine surprise. Given the clear message the VIPs are billionaires the commentary on them is lax compared with the incisive insights into the contestants’ world. Gay white American billionaires get huge prominence, when straight Russian oligarchs aren’t even vaguely signalled.
So many racist in these comments.
Not the VIPs using opera glasses to watch the Squid Game this is TOO MUCH.
Why don't they go on the steel in the game? Walk on the 2 rods in the middle, hit the glasses on both sides, and that's it!
Lol, I can relate to Seong Gi-hun, panicking so much that I don't pay attention to the very first tile... :joy:
Not only the VIPs are gross, they can't fucking act.
I don't watch foreign tv/movies dubbed for the reason that dub actors sound like the Americans in this episode!
The acting by the VIP's was beyond pathetic. Did they just pick random dudes off the street living in Korea who spoke English? I don't get it, all the other actors were great.
the english dialogue adds nothing
As everyone already stated: Old rich white men, why am I not surprised?
The thing about crossing a woman like Mi-nyeo is that when she tells you she will kill you that is exactly what she will do and she won't care if that means dying too! She is absolutely insane and I was all for it. And as much as I hate Sang-woo now (Ali did not deserve to be treated like that!) I did support what he did in this episode. This game is brutal, it's kill or be killed. You'd like to think that you'd play in fair and make different choices than some of the characters but in all honesty we can't know unless we are faced with the same choice. That's what I love about shows in this genre most; the 'what would I do?' question around the whole of it.
Does it matter if they're white, old or men? They can't fucking act, end of.
why didn't they go on the rails, there was no rule that prohibited that AFAIK.
[7.4/10] The tricky thing about Squid Game, and all foreign language movies and shows, is that it’s harder to judge the acting. I’ll admit that there’s times when certain characters’ reactions or deliveries seem over the top to me, but when you only comprehend the dialogue via subtitles, it’s harder to judge things like intonation, inflection, and the cultural context behind certain approaches. The non-verbal acting -- expressions, tone, and body language -- still come through loud and clear. But you tend to take spoken words at face value since they’re a little less accessible to a viewer who doesn’t speak the same language.
Which is why it’s a little jarring when a bunch of english-speaking characters show up because their acting...isn’t very good. It’s not atrocious or anything, but falls short of the standards for a semi-prestige production like this one. So when hearing the famed VIPs talk in clunky rich asshole dialogue with stilted, overblown deliveries, it makes me wonder if that vibe extends to the Korean characters as well, and I’m just not discerning enough to detect it.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the general idea of “VIPS”. We see the apparent sponsors of this event for the first time, the ones who treat it as sport, as entertainment, as something to bet on and play favorites and treat as an idle form of amusement rather than a life or death scenario of their own making. There is inherent commentary in the fact that the benefactors here are mostly English-speaking Americans, treating these people from across the sea as disposable lemmings there to dance for their entertainment.
Nothing drives the point home more than when one of the players, the man forced to live at his wife’s expense after the marble game, chooses to hang himself rather than go on. He’d rather commit suicide than live with the blood on his hand, a sign of the cruelty this game imposes on those sucked into playing it. I don’t know if it’s the saddest moment in the game so far, but it’s the first time we see someone end things due to guilt rather than as some sort of noble sacrifice. And yet, all the VIPs can do is laugh and darn themselves for betting on the wrong contender since his number was 69. The disconnect between the humanity of the contestants and the cravenness of these rich assholes has never been more stark.
That said, I am pretty tired of the Hwang story. It’s gone from “This is a little implausible, but I appreciate getting a look into the behind-the-scenes of the game” to “It’s wildly unbelievable that he’s made it this gone, and he’s no longer giving us that much insight into what’s happening behind the curtain.” His ability to sneak around undetected, bluff his way through serving the big-wigs, and nut grab his way into getting a confession from the most lecherous of the VIPs is just too much. The cat and mouse game between him and the Front Man (whom I presume is actually his missing brother) has stretched things too far, and if the show was playing fair, it feels like Hwang would have been caught by now.
That said, the fifth game is an interesting one. Once again, Squid Game has impeccable visual style. For one thing, the gold-spangled masks of the VIPs, including the Host (whom I presume is Number 1), gives the whole thing a creepy, Eyes Wide Shut quality. The same goes for the decor in their viewing room, which has a gaudy, opulent aesthetic, replete with voluptuous bodies and an animal motif that helps convey the way in which they view these fellow human beings as little more than beasts there for their pleasure and entertainment.
The glass-tiled bridge over a death-defying plummet below has visual panache as well. I’ll admit, maybe it was just my television, but sometimes the glass squares were not always easy to make out along the path. Still, the sharp editing between the real life human player and the chess-like figures on the miniature version in the spectator room, the imagery of the slow motion plummets when someone picks the wrong tile, and the arcade-like lighting and patterns in the game room itself all grab the eye.
But I like the subtle theme of how the game preaches equality and fairness, but that it’s a canard, one that forces its players to agonize over the random and unknowable when their lives are at stake. There is no real skill to picking one of sixteen vests that determine the order in which they play the game, or choosing which glass tile is safe and which one spells certain doom. Say what you will about the other games and how arbitrary the outcomes could be, but there was at least some skill and judgment involved. Game 5 is basically random dice roll after random dice roll, with the wrong roll resulting in death. It is, in a way, the harshest game of them all, because there’s barely a game. Instead, it’s just a random number generator that kills you when it spits out the wrong digit.
Nothing demonstrates that more than when someone does use their knowledge and skill to get ahead. One of the players worked with glass and can discern tempered glass from the normal, breakable kind by looking at it. So what do the operators do? They turn off the lights, to make it baseless and random again, a form of “fairness” that results only in more cruelty.
And we do see more cruelty. The one clever element of the game is that the time limit and the order practically forces the players to turn on one another if they want to survive. Someone at the front is inclined to be cautious, or try to force other players ahead of them so as not to be the guinea pig, whereas players toward the back are compelled to encourage or even push those in front of them so they don’t lose by default. It exposes the same cravenness in many of the players here.
It’s striking how quickly one player is willing to push one another to gain the advantage and gain a hint over what the right step is. We again see how craven and self-interested the allegedly high-minded Sang-woo is when his life is on the line. We see Sae-Byeok showing kindness she doesn’t have to when she reminds Gi-hun which path is the correct one behind her. To the extent the game is designed the reveal the evil in the hearts of men, how quickly these miserable people will turn on one another when it suits them, it succeeds for all but a few of our players.
But the most interesting of these is the end of Deok-su and Mi-nyeo. I’ll admit, I was a little surprised to see Mi-nyeo alive. (And we did see a body for Ali this episode, which spoils that theory.) I love the way she goes out though. Deok-su, of course, is as mercenary in ever in trying to force others in ine to go ahead of him, lest he let the whole lot of them die, but he offers the most trenchant insight in the show, “There are no rules in hell.” There’s a sense in which someone as craven as him is at home in this environment, something that’s allowed him to make it this far.
And yet, I love the fact that what ultimately dooms him is his cruelty. He was awful enough to Mi-nyeo, so willing to use her without thought or remorse, that in the end, she’s willing to die so long as she takes him with her. The sequence of her toppling the two of them over, uniting their fates, as they plummet through the glass, arm in arm, in slow motion, is one of the most memorable in the series. A fitting end for the tumultuous “couple”, and as one of the ninnies in the VIP lounge accurately describes it, a poetic way for them to go out.
Overall, this isn’t my favorite episode in the show, particularly outside of the game itself. But it does drive home the inequity, hypocrisy, and outright cruelty that fuels the game, which makes me interested to see where it lands now that we’re down to only three remaining players and one remaining game.
Wait a second! Is the host the old man? Player 001????
Also, I just noticed the drawings on the wall showing the games!!
The hammy, poorly acted and written VIPs really brought me out of it this episode. A real disappointment to a strong show thus far
Disappointing after "Gganbu". Those VIPs were really over the top and made this episode hard to watch.
“See that man over there? His partner was his wife.” Dear God that’s awful.
Again, to absolutely no one's surprise, this is all a gamble for wealthy people. Why did they even bother to wait for showing it ?
This was an interesting game. As usual 100% predictable: Gi-hun is too dumb to make a choice by himself and will get the last available spot which will turn out to be the best one. And he'll make it at the very last second, like the other games..
An interesting game, more or less random though if it is designed with as many steps as players, the first players have absolutely no chance. Though if you do it correctly, for instance, not forgetting what the first step was, there should have more survivors, assuming the on in front does their job, obviously. The first to make it through could also fuck all the others.
There seemed to be a lot of way around, that absolutely nobody tried to explore though it was not forbidden. Walking on the structure. Since the good one was supposed to be able to handle two people, they could have moved in pair, with the one stepping on the right glass holding the other. Could have tried to break it by hand.
A perfect ending for the 101/212 couple. As expected, the three main characters make it to the end. Though 67 seems to have been heavily injured in the glass explosion, highly probable she won't make it to have a Gi-hun/Sang-woo confrontation, in the squid game they used to play as kids.
There's also a part of the cop story, but meh. Turned useless except for a way to view the organization part.
The idea was rather cool but they dragged it out so became boring... again. Also it's disappointing that trakt apparently thinks racist comments are okay as long as it is racism against white people.
Of course the phone cord was going to be a thing. And her not actually having gotten shot after not being picked. They’d have shown us that, she’s important enough now.
Might have detected an inconsistency … might. I don’t remember exactly how it went, but the families of those who die get the share (only when they forfeit the game?), right? So there being husband and wife in the game, if they ended, he wouldn’t be at nothing because he’d get money for her death. This wasn’t mentioned again though and he didn’t bring it up either before tapping out. :upside_down:
Ohh! I thought the front man was the same as the one who has the mask (the host). Redirecting my suspicions that the HOST is the one the detective is looking for (aka his brother).
Since the play pieces were chess knights I was guessing they have to move like the knight can move. Which is predictable. But they have to figure that out first as they can’t see that, and in the end, that wasn’t even it, was it.
old white men are involved of course it all makes sense now
ahh the way the VIPs speak and act are so strange, at one point I felt like the director wanted it to be like that on purpose and gave the VIPs this over the top, cartoonish pretentiousness just to make the whole situation even more absurd and out of place.
But again, I remember in an interview the director said it's difficult to find good foreign actors in Korea, so could be simply just that.
Still, I did find this episode enjoyable even with the weird VIPs, it almost adds an poetic feeling to it because what they are doing are hardly anything humane, and they sure don't act or speak like real regular people either.
Aren't koreans famous for Tetraphobia? Kind of amazed me that 4 didn't go last or at least 2nd to last.
Also: I guess I have to correct myself, there seem to be a few quota-white people in the show after all :)
Detonating the glass was stupid writing - Its kind of obvious that there are only few people left after playing "gamble your wife away playing a guessing game over 16 times" - I actually thought the timelimit was already stupid.
Why? Because the goal is to entertain. Games like that belong in the beginning when you have "bodies to spare" - not in the end where you actually need a more or less fixed amount of players left (I assume that its last man standing and since Jung Ho-yeon isn't part of the last Episode according to IMDB I guess there will be one, not 2 survivors (no reason for 2 if its a sausagefest...))
VIP concept was dumb. It was an answer to a question we don’t need answered.
The VIP portion kinda gave Eyes Wide Shut vibes. Maybe it was just the masks but it felt similar. Yeah that acting wasn’t very good though but that’s normal for English speaking characters in foreign film/tv. It’s probably the same for other languages in English language films
Animal instinct. When faced with danger, seek refuge in the herd.
There are so many layers, i just dont know where to start: in the end it (always?) comes down to this: 1. unlucky person who tries to survive 2. Lucky person turned unlucky who tries to survive and 3. Unlucky person turned more unlucky who tries to survive. Also there is alot of morality involved: Unlucky person who not willingly sacrifices others for the benefit of others. Lucky person who willingly and ruthlessly sacrifices others for his own benefit. Unlucky person who willingly, but hesitantly sacrifices others for the benefit of others. And I also agree the common comments regarding the VIPs; these are really weakly casted and acted.
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Up to this episode the entire production has been stellar!
But let’s talk about the casting of those VIPS...
Damn, it made me cringe every time they spoke. Poor writing, dialogue and awful acting (by the English speaking VIPS) really let the show down. Asian cinema always seems to taint their own brilliant actors by casting some D-grade foreign extras based in country. If it’s some legal issue with hiring actors outside their region, then they should sort all that out beforehand. Did Netflix even consult with the Korean team on these matters? It literally feels like they found some caucasian men on the street and offered them roles.