The Punisher was fighting to find redemption while Jon Bernthal was fighting for an Emmy Award.
Graveyard scene is one of the best scenes in the history of television! Wow!
Wow! What a beautiful and heartbreaking performance from Jon. The single tear falling from behind Matt's mask got me good. This episode is too good. Not sure about Matt and Karen, though. The scene under the rain was well written, I'm afraid they didn't have enough chemistry to back it up. His interest in her seems very sudden. I prefer his chemistry with Claire/Rosario.
Now I'm an old Marvel comics geek so my opinion might not be completely unbiased I know. Still for that same reason I'm pretty critical about this show and sometime I feel like that is not written that well, though constantly saved by a truly amazing cast, and not only Matt, Foggy, Karen I mean. D'Onofrio too as Kingpin was simply great, but Berthal...oh boy...he delivered a truly unforgettable Punisher.
So, yes sometime screenwriting to me feels a bit lazy, like if writers know they can always rely on great cinematography and a top notch casting to patch everything up and make the whole thing work almost by itself.
But...whatever my opinion can be, you must give up to the fact that Frank Castle monologue was simply one of the best acting performance I have ever seen. Period. And god knows any actor would crawl on its knees to get the chance to play a role with a scene like that. Berthal hopefully will get other chances to show his acting skills again, but honestly sometime such things happen once in a lifetime. In a full long career De Niro had just one "Taxi Driver" mirror monologue. And who knows...it will be not impossible, but quite hard to get another Punisher monolgue like that. Good luck Mr Bernthal...
Matt and Karen get closer and it's hot lol. Beats Kara and James forced on us in Supergirl. Matt and Karen now that's chemistry.
While to Matt's dismay; Karen goes off on her own to find out more about Frank. While the Irish mob gets closer to finding Frank as well.
Frank is more bad ass than ever in this one. So yeah good episode. Nice interactions between DareDevil and The Punisher in the end too.
I can't see chemistry between Matt and Karen. Doesn't even look that they would be a couple that would last... Hope the serie doesn't focus on them...
The scene in the graveyard!!! OMG That performance! I've never expected that I will drop tears while watching a movie or a show about superheros.
The chemistry between Matt an Karen is amazing.
This show has gone so far with it's greatness.
6.8/10. Can an episode of television get by on one good scene? Maybe one and a half good scenes if we're being generous? Because Frank Castle's monologue about coming home to his daughter, and then losing her, was a magnificent moment, where the show slowed down and let the acting and the dialogue tell the story in human terms. Again, Jon Berenthal is punching above his weight class here, turning a pulpy if occasionally meditative show into a touching, pathos-ridden examination of a soldier coming home, of the way our loved ones become elevated and deified in our memories, of the regret and yes, guilt that drives people to do things great and terrible.
And the idea of guilt as a motivator is one of the many interesting ideas swirling around "Penny and Dime" (a title, incidentally, which nods toward a device that's a little cheesy and convenient for conveying how Frank is haunted by the memory of his daughter, but gets by based on the performance). The problem is that the ideas are executed in a kind of silly or on the nose fashion.
Case in point, the opening scene where Finn returns to the Irish Mob after being out of the game is something ripped out of a third rate action movie. The whole murder to make an entrance and demand vengeance thing is unbelievably played out, and while the actor gave as good a performance as could be expected, the generic mob boss going scorched earth is such a tired trope that the episode has trouble overcoming. There's a kernel of a good idea with contrasting Finn and Punisher as both trying to avenge their children and that being what puts them at odds, but unfortunately it just leads to the usual "we have ways of making you talk" torture scene. I mean he threatened a dog for chrissake! That's the oldest corniest bad guy trick in the book. Finn took up a lot of oxygen in the episode and it wasn't really for the better of things.
Similarly, I just don't care about Karen and Matt. They've never really had chemistry to me, so all of the long, sensual scenes where they share a meaningful look or ask about one another's families or wipe raindrops off each others' skin left me cold. It's nice that they show Foggy smiling at the bar and giving Matt his blessing, because it speaks to a friendship that feels much more natural and organic between Nelson and Murdock that the show's struggled to establish between Matt and Karen, but otherwise the entire romance angle was a whole lot of nothing.
On a different note, it's clear that the shadow of Chris Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy looms large over this show. The scene where Daredevil tells Mahoney to take credit for the collar, in order to preserve the ideas of law and order and not encourage more vigilantes to go out in such lethal terms like Punisher did feels like Batman telling Commissioner Gordon to blame him for what happens to Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight. As I've said repeatedly, there's a lot of Frank Miller DNA coming through in both characters, whether it be Daredevil disappearing, Batman-style when Mahoney turns his back at a crime scene, or these same sorts of theme about whether the hero is on the side of the law or something apart from it. It's an interesting idea, but the exploration of it here is pretty shallow.
On the other hand, the other "half a good scene" in the episode is Father Lantum's eulogy for Grotto, not mincing words about who or what the deceased was, but maintaining the idea that all life is valuable, because each life is a "world" of connections to other people that would otherwise be severed. Like Castle's dialogue, it's one of the better written speeches in the episode, and there's a poetry to the way Lantum expresses the idea that makes it more moving.
And I like that he doesn't give Daredevil absolution exactly, even if he gives him validation. After being initially dismissive, Daredevil seems to have come around to the idea that he may not only have caused people like The Punsiher, he may be like the Punisher. He feels a guilt for judging his harsher vigilante counterpart, and Lantum describes it as the soul's call to action.
That's the other saving grace (if you'll pardon the expression in a show full of Catholic imagery) -- the scene of Daredevil taking out the Irish mobsters and fighting alongside Punisher while he's preventing him from killing anyone is shot and directed well and creates and exciting sense of kinetic movement without losing the characters and their motivations in all the combat.
In the end, Daredevil feels like he's righted his wrongs. If the season ended here, it wouldn't be the worst thing despite the somewhat underwhelming nature of the episode. He understands Frank even if he doesn't agree with him. He accepts that the two of them are not so different, but takes steps to ensure that they're not glorified in the process. And he allows himself the human pleasures of love and connection that left Punisher so scarred. In the end, he even smiles, and allows himself to be happy. It would be a fitting final image for this little pod of episodes if it weren't capped off with a kind of cheesy teaser for what comes next.
But it's not the only fitting image in "Penny and Dime." It's hard to see a relatively young man watching the carousel in Central Park and not think of Catcher in the Rye. There to, the protagonist suffered a loss and found himself scarred by it, watching the carousel and wishing he could turn time back around and go back to when things made more sense. I don't know if the implication is the same here. It's probably just the idea that Frank used to watch his daughter and family on that carousel. Maybe it's even where they were gunned down. But with the way the image is framed, it's hard not to take the same sort of symbolism at play, of a view of the carousel as signifying lost innocence in some sense, an idea that Castle is apart from and can't get back. There's a lot of dumb stuff around it, but Punisher carries this episode on his back here, and it squeaks by on the merits of his part in it.
The BEST episode yet. John Bernthal was FANTASTIC. I hated him in The Walking Dead and this episode totally redeemed him!
The rain moment they had outside Matt's apartment was EPIC! aaaaand erotic, wow :-)
The cinematography with the single rain drop falling at the end of the episode was PHENOMENAL. i've never seen something like it before, ever. Absolutely stunning little piece of work.
i dont understand, what is it for that frank was saved from the irish and then hand it over to police?
And now Elektra too... Great season! After the amazing first season never thought that they would improve it this much!
I hope this episode doesn't mark the end of the punisher in series. Always loved be an anti-hero.
These shows are so formulaic and so poorly written. All you need to know about this episode is that the Punisher is being hunted by the Irish mob. They corner him, when he's taken one of their soldiers hostage. Four guys surround him, guns pointed, and Castle kills all four, plus the hostage. The next moment, the head of the mob enters w/ three other, armed soldiers. The head of the mob is unarmed and wants to tell Castle how he's surrounded. Uh, he just killed four guys that surrounded him plus the hostage. Why wouldn't he gun you down right now?!? The writing defies logic. It's painful to watch..
What a waste of Tony Curran
that monologue from frank was beautiful omg
this was something else and then poor Frank Castle is getting beat up over and over again but at least Daredevil came and helped him out. The Punisher is worth saving and redeeming big time. I felt so bad for Frank as he was telling the story to Matt about his family it broke my heart and wow that kiss between Matt and Karen was so epic
Best episode yet! Extremely brutal fight scenes, amazing performances and sweet Matt and Karen moment at the end.
That was absolutely beautiful... Jon Bernthal was amazing, and what a way to finish a story arc.
The origin, the end for now and not leave one to get into another
Throw in a little bit of that lubby dubby in there and you get yourself a cute love story.
It's good to know the difference between DD and The Punisher, and now I definitely want to go back and rewatch that old Punisher movie that used to like as a kid, and catch up on the newer ones I missed out on, which I heard were good.
The blonde whatever is pathetic. She obviously has an itch and no one to scratch...lame acting lame role
Matt and Karen's chemistry is just fantastic. That is a romance arc done right!
The graveyard scene with Frank was brilliant and can't wait to see where they take it all. Especially with Elektra in the mix now too!
Shout by zombiebxxkVIP BlockedParent2016-03-18T11:38:44Z
Jesus, that graveyard scene. Jon Berthal was fantastic there.
The first four episodes were amazing.