I might be done with the MCU after this one. I had low expectations coming in because they ruined “Secret Invasion” and yea “Echo” wasn’t good. Idk what’s going on in these writers room because man this is bad.
Yea, I don’t know about this one.
I’m puzzled as to what I watched here for several reasons that I don’t think I can put into words at the moment but one thing is for certain, this series was not worth the time spent on it.
Another "Hit and Miss" for Disney Marvel. Could've been a good show if this stayed in Marvel Netflix instead of Disney Marvel.
The show had potential, but they totally missed the direction of it. If they made her a brutal assassin that is in the ranks of Kingpin or Punisher, the badass that copies her opponents moves, and deals with them in hard hitting gore action it would've been much better show. Instead, they went with some mumbo-jumbo crap, echoing her ancestral spirit, whatever that means. Totally messed up the whole native-american vibe (see Kahhori in "What if" for comparison) and made that part boring as hell.
They put her in a lot of family interactions, where she's supposed to show emotions but instead just stands there being as blank as possible. Almost no character development and dialog weren't much of a problem, since she should've been brooding, silent, don't show emotions protagonist, that lets action speak for her, but they made her neither here nor there. All in all, one of the shows to watch, just to check it of you watchlist and then forget about.
Marvel Studios continues to accelerate its efforts, more in the interest of telling many stories with many products, but leaving aside the value of the stories and characters.
Therefore, this is a series in which there is not much cohesion with the other stories of your universe, Marvel Spotlight is a weak attempt to create an adult line that resembles what was done on Netflix, but where sadly with fear and lack of risk, they end up returning to their comfort zone.
It is very clear that the series starts with chapters of almost 1 hour, but that little by little its length decreases until it reaches a final episode of 30 minutes.
Only time will tell, maybe the next steps in this adult line will be better with Daredevil... We hope so!
It started with some promise, but from the 3rd episode on the story direction and characters got progressively more silly and stupid. The finale was massive bore, and the post credits stinger was heavy handed (and wasn't teasing a story I have any interest in seeing). Marvel really needs to think long and hard about what it wants to do TV wise going forward became the last few efforts have been sorely lacking.
It's better than most of the shows Disney released for the MCU, but it's still not as good as the Daredevil era.
Just seeing the Marvel Spotlight at the beginning made me know this was going to be different than what we have been seeing lately from the cookie cutter movie style Marvel uses for everything.
The show absolutely broke the mold Marvel has been using; and while I enjoyed Ms. Marvel, which tried to break the mold but really didn't, they were able to do so with this. The story was different, very Marvel Knight-esque in terms of how it plays out, but it was a really cool side story for a character we didn't see much of, but she was badass when we did.
In a time when we are lacking a lot new content, this show did not only fill a content void, it did so exceeding my expectations of Yet Another Marvel Anything.
Unfortunately I have to say it because it's crap that I had hoped would improve with the 2nd chapter but it gets worse with each chapter :thumbsdown_tone2:. It's a big disappointment.
just horrible :disappointed:
Echo is such a fantastic character and the actress that plays her does an excellent job. Vincent D'onofrio gives it all jist like he did on the netflix show but people writing and planning the ahow..... i don't know what they were thinking.
basically this show sums up to a Origin show of Echo that we know from the Hawkeye show (the first 3 episodes) and then they decided to reboot and give her a new origin and a new set of power (the remaining 2 episodes).
the crammed up everything on the final 2 episodes that it all looked choppy, rushed and uninteresting.
Marvel is completely lost at the moment and clearly they have no clue what they want to do or where they are going
not really sure what i just watched. the first episode had me absolutely hyped and then it just completely fell apart. I mean there were a couple moments that I was just starting to get into it and it would either be over just like that or trail off into something silly. Kingpins appearances didn't disappoint though. still not sure what all that daredevil stuff was in the first episode that went on to be no part of the story whatsoever. There were a couple characters I did like such as Biscuits and the grandfather but other than that the rest of them were bland especially her childhood friend and grandmother. So many unanswered questions as well like what's up with the house she goes to why is it just empty but not run down or anything like that? It felt rushed as well. Maybe I would have thought differently with more depth and about 10 more episodes expanding on things. I wanted to like it hell I still want to like it but if I were to really give it a score it would probably be a 5 which is a shame. They could have done a lot better. The real issue is I want it to continue for a second season but with all the fixes mainly LONGER I wouldn't want my low ranking of this show have merit on continuing the series unless it was more of the same of what we got already then nevermind
Echo is a decent but not exceptional addition to the MCU, that could have benefited from more episodes, more depth, and more integration. It is worth watching for the fans of Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Kingpin, but it may not appeal to everyone. I would give it a 6/10 rating.
Overall Ranked: 7.40/10
Season 1: 7.40/10
The reason why they made this show -
They wanted to bring back Fisk. It'd make no sense if they brought him back directly in the upcoming Daredevil series , so they wanted another way, and the way turned out to be as a Father figure to Maya Lopez.
It doesn't even make sense , why would Fisk be the father figure to Maya? How is she so different from the hundreds of kids who lost their father who worked for Fisk? And they don't even bother explaining that.
The action scenes in the 1st episode was amazing, not much in the next few .
I was intrigued by the opening scene , I thought they'd delve into that story , but they didn't show anything about that either.
Everything is so rushed , you don't even connect to any of the characters. The finale was too rushed.
The only good thing about this show is Vincent D onofrios acting. That should say how bad this show is , because he's there for only 30-40mins in total in the whole season.
Echo - :heart:x6
The story felt rushed to me. I feel that there could have been more details added to most of the story.
For my taste - I really hate having to read my movies (and TV Shows) - I avoid them as much as possible - so I did not enjoy that part of the show.
How I rate:
1-3 :heart: = seriously! don't waste your time
4-6 :heart: = you may or may not enjoy this
7-8 :heart: = I expect you will like this too
9-10 :heart: = movies and TV shows I really love!
Echo does a few refreshing things that no other MCU show has done regarding the maturity and violence (they never fully capitalize on the opportunity, but it's still nice to see them mature up a little bit). The action is also in general really nice with good choreography, long takes, wide shots, good sound design, and even some creativity using the environment in some instances. Vincent D'Onofrio is still fantastic as Kingpin and for the majority of the show he is written well. Alaqua Cox has also solidly become the character of Echo now and she serves the role nicely. The supporting cast does a good job as well. And of course it was great to see Charlie Cox's Daredevil again, however brief. It's a wonder, then, that the show isn't very good. The balance in the story is just never there. We get an exploration of Maya's heritage and ancestral background that serves as an origin for her powers, mixed in with a family drama, mixed in with her conflict with Kingpin, and it never struck the right balance. And speaking of her powers, I was so disappointed when it was revealed that she has some sort of cosmic origin and powerset. I have no idea if it is comic accurate, but the marketing for this show promised a grounded and gritty street-level comic book show and everything to do with her powers takes so much away from that. The grounded feel is there at times, but sometimes it's not and when it's not the show falls very, very flat. The pacing is also bad... again. The first half of the first episode is a glorified recap which starts things off weird, then the show finds its footing for a little bit in the middle, and the finale is (shocker) extremely rushed. The finale this time around was just as poor as most other MCU shows. Kingpin's finale is laughable, Maya's arc with her powers comes off as silly, and the entire thing just falls flat on its face. But the biggest issue with the show is that it just doesn't earn its place. It never interests enough to feel as if a show centered on the character is warranted, other than to flesh her out so that we will perhaps care about her a little more for when she inevitably appears later on. Has some good aspects and the potential to be better, but falls very flat. The MCU puts out another disappointing series.
Wow only a 61% rating and it hasn't even been released yet. It's so bad people from the future built a time machine just to travel back to warn us!
like predicted, that was absolute garbage
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[strike]She was great on Hawkeye next to JRenner. She's no longer that kid from then but a woman 3 years down the line and no Renner... very much wondering how this series will end up to be.[/strike] Here's hoping it wont be another endless woke virus promotion.
EDIT1: I expected this series to be about Hawkeyes sidekick Kate. But its about the bad lieutenant Maya. My mistake.
Quite disappointing.
EDIT:2 So after having seen the first 2 episodes of season 1 (I doubt there will be a season 2), it's not as messed up woke as I was worried for it to become.
But..... maybe that would even have been better than this crap. The whole series just stinks.
I really wonder what the whole plan was with this season. It looks like they had some specific story in mind, recorded everything. Probably some scenes were not done yet during the whole writers and actors strikes
And then in post-editing someone totally re-wrote the story.
There are loads of flashbacks or supporting scenes that seem to be about native americans and their roots and customs as a sort of documentary, which in some ways is better developed than the main story itself.
Frankly I dont like the Maya character. Maya her endless frowning / angry face gets old quickly. She has only 1 possible expression on her face: angry. There is hardly anything else coming out of her.
I guess acting of being a deaf person who is angry about life is probably difficult to do antything else than this, but her whole attitude gets old fast. No matter who she has near her or whom she communicates with. Endless negativity and anger and violence.
I dont like several of the other characters either. Plus I find the way most of the native americans are being protraid borderline racist. All of them seem to be either stupid, over-weight(fat), or criminal or so stuck in the traditional ways that they are just plain silly.
And a lot of what we see just doesnt make sense.
You dont go driving a motorcycle hundred of kilometers/miles with a bullet still stuck in your chest.
I am considering rating this series on the same level as Iron Fist. Not sure if to be above or below. I guess below is impossible. So let's say its halve a step better than Iron First. Although the storyline of Iron Fist at least made sense (mostly). Hm.
Anyway. It's poo. Dont bother. There's much better stuff out there than this s h i t.
so so incredibly boring. i realy dont know what ive seen. such a waste of my time watching this
This show, just like a few other MCU shows, doesn't know what it wants to be. It's hard critiquing it when it's obvious it's just another empty series designed to keep & feed Disney+ subscribers, rather than delivering something of value to the franchise. A mere filler, an appetizer for their Daredevil show, which failed to appetize the viewers.
After binging this, I feel really nervous about MCU's Daredevil reboot. Will it just become another pale imitation of the Netflix series? Are they gonna ruin Matt Murdock's character by their sloppy writing, just like they did here to Kingpin?
I used to wish for the MCU to make the Netflix Marvel series canon, and continue their story. Now I kind of wish they'd leave it alone.
Echo leaps bravely into place, daring to tread a path reminiscent of the gritty Netflix Marvel streets we all fell in loved with.
The raw, brutal, hard-hitting series deeply rooted in Native American culture offers a refreshing shift from the extravagant, CGI-heavy narratives of recent MCU releases.
Its TV-MA rating allows for a darker tone and sets an exciting precedent for the anticipated Daredevil: Born Again series currently in production.
Marvel Studios Echo gets it done, delivering a strong character-driven story that also honors differently abled people as well as the Choctaw Nation.
I don't know what Marvel is doing. If they want me to care about someone, don't write their character as a massive douchebag to everyone who cares for her. I mean +1 for representation, but her character was literally a killer for Fisk. At least try to make her likeable.
If Marvel wants to write about bad people they could have made a series about Fisk instead.
[Disney+] With the Marvel Spotlight label that seems to cover up the failure of the MCU, this "independent" story that is connected to "Hawkeye" (2021) and "Daredevil" (2015) tries to find a middle ground between the Marvel style and the Netflix style, but without getting its own personality. Bad action choreographies, introduction of Native American elements without much depth, an uncharismatic protagonist and the most soporific use of sign language that has ever been seen, build a failed series from the very concept.
Predictable, a mix between the transporter and daredevil but it didn't work, really very clumsy shooting scenes, jumps or movements as if she were superhuman...I don't know what they really wanted to do but it didn't turn out well...or they gave her super powers from the beginning or they left her as some kind of daredevil or another similar character that they can think of.
With Echo Marvel got things half right. The good stuff is very, very good, while the bad stuff was, well, par for the course for the studio these days.
They took a big swing story-wise by centering the Choctaw side of Maya. They also didn't shy away from her disabilities. The series is a triumph of inclusion, presenting viewers with perspectives that are all-too-often ignored or overlooked in mainstream entertainment. The extended sections with no (or little) sound force us to consider Maya's worldview and the story is all the better for it. And the actors... The entire cast is a Murder's Row of talent, with Alaqua Cox managing to hold her own among heavyweights like Graham Greene, Tantoo Cardinal, and Vincent D'Onofrio. Chaske Spencer also stands out with a great turn as a criminal with a heart of gold. The music is killer (holy crap that opening title sequence!) and the overall production value is a testament to the love and care that went into crafting the show.
All of those good things said, the Marvel Machine can't seem to let a story pass through itself without mucking things up. The first episode is unfocused and the finale is a morass of forced mythology and performative climax. Had there been as much effort put into the plot's overall structure as there so clearly was into the multilingual & multicultural elements, there could have been a battle that stretched across multiple episodes that made more sense. (Why not have Maya's powers manifest in the scene in episode 4 while they were alone and have her psychic connection reinforce Fisk's evil instead of cut off in a confused, unresolved way? The final siege at the powwow would have been him lashing out in a way that made sense instead of it being the out-of-nowhere, formulaic set piece that it was.) For as brave as the rest of the series was, there was a distinct lack of courage in making Maya's power set ambiguous. One of the cool things about her character has always been that her intense focus gave her an ability to mimic anything that she saw. That was something that came from within; it's a sign of strength. There wasn't a need to infuse her with a mystical heritage only to see in manifest in a way that made no sense. (Is she super strong? Can she possess people around her? Can every woman in her lineage summon power via the palms of the hands?)
I'd love to see these characters - and actors - again, so here's hoping that the new "Marvel Spotlight" imprint gives us more... but better.
I am thoroughly burned out on MCU. So I went into this watch very skeptical and expecting to dislike what I saw. Color me surprised when I actually liked it!
Alaqua Cox is great in Echo! I didn't love her in Hawkeye, but very much enjoyed her here. Story wise, I thought her redemption arc is weak. She's a killer and needs to reckon with the part she played in killing all those people for Kingpin. I hope they tackle in future seasons. Otherwise, her finding connection back to her family and people/culture was really moving. I did find some of the presentation of the Choctaw history a bit hokey, but the lore/history was very welcome.
A hero is only as good as their villain and holy hell did Vincent D'onofrio deliver with Kingpin. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't like Daredevil. I especially don't like Charlie Cox as DD. So the best thing coming out of that series for me has always been Kingpin. Vincent brings this eerie calm to the character - just completely still and captivating. So when he unleashes his anger and becomes physical it's scary and completely enthralling. He takes up so much of the screen that even when silent you have the sense you're playing with fire.I loved getting so much time with him in this series. His defeat really heightens your respect of Echo's powers.
Filming wise, the fight scenes were fucking awesome! She kicked asssssss. It was cool when they removed sound from time to time during those scenes. Felt very immersive. Showcased how she is able to use being deaf to her advantage as well as when accommodations need be made because she is deaf. Excited to see the expansion of her powers and her kicking loads more ass.
I loved the non-combative ending. Her power shook Kingpin versus a physical altercation. Something really special about coming from love. Sure you could kill or physically overpower Kingpin, but it's so expected and not always the best recourse. Similarly to why I enjoyed the ending to She-Hulk, I appreciate that there are more paths to 'victory' than just brute force. That said, the was a bit rushed. When I saw there was only 15 minutes left in the episode, I knew I wouldn't be completely happy with pacing. Wouldn't have minded a bit more fighting at the end there with the lead up to the confrontation with Kingpin. They would have done well with even one more episode.
Kudos to Disney for showcasing different voices. Seeing the diversity in the cast and having a deaf, native, amputee woman as your lead is really great. We want more female stories and female leads!! Keep it up. :) Major kudos for not including an unnecessary love story plot. Give this show a watch!
It's not good, but it's not bad either. I expected kick ass fight scenes at every episode and conspiracy as a b plot.
Much much better than secret invasion.
This is more like a slow-burn family drama, which didn't know what it wants to do. What was the point of this whole season? Prologue to how Kingpin got into politics?
Shite. I thought Loki season 2 was bad but this beats it BAD x10
The show was an average experience. But it did have fantastic action sequences. But if it didn't try to rip off ATLA, that would have been much better. Her powers actually didn't play that much in the series. Some characters felt bland.
people in the comments saying it's garbage and woke propaganda; just say you don't like well thought out characters, callbacks to Netflix's Marvel and good action cause the miniseries was amazing, diverse and VIOLENT which should suit you iron man bootlickers since anything Marvel put out recently was apparently too comical.
The lack of shame from Marvel is amazing: they said Echo was gonna be completely autonomous and what they meant is the first episode is a long summary of two other TV shows. Meh. Ironically, the new stuff in that first episode (the action sequence and Kingpin doing what any parent wants to do at least once a week by kicking that guy’s ass) is probably the best part of the whole show. Meh. The rest is the usual Marvel fare: a good cast, some interesting themes and ideas, at least one more fun action sequence, but the constant feeling that (1) a couple of hours would have been enough and (2) it’s more interested in making you want to watch other stuff than in not making you regret watching this stuff.
6/10
Don’t know how to feel about this series, the drama was outstanding, the Native American story was beautiful, her motivation is unclear to me, her power more unclear. action wise this series was terrible,
I admire what marvel tried to do with this character and the respect to both her disability and Native American heritage. As a drama it worked well. The performances were good.
Unfortunately the action pieces were rushed and unclear. Motivation for the characters were unclear and some decisions ludicrous.
A strong concept let down by a poor overall narrative.
I'm still not sure what to make of this mini-series. I love the Maya Lopez/Echo character, an Indigenous woman who is deaf with a disability, that cross-representation is so, so awesome for a number of greatly underrepresented communities. Yet, this story felt incomplete. It seemed as if they had created a much richer story, and possibly filmed quite a bit of it, then cut it out for some reason. That this was only five episodes was one indication and that the final three episodes all decreased in length, w/ the final episode coming in at less than 30 minutes, was another. Also, much of the first episode seemed to be taken from the Hawkeye mini-series.
Usually, when a mini-series ends w/ an episode that's significantly shorter than the rest of the series, it's not a good indication, as it often feels like leftovers from the main story; not so much an epilogue as that the filmmakers didn't really flesh out the story completely, and that was what they were left w/. This series felt less like that, b/c the storyline continuity seemed off throughout, and as noted, episodes got shorter and shorter. It just really left a sense that so much was left behind during the editing process. It really seemed that there had to be more to this story in order to make it fuller and more robust. I had a difficult time understanding how this might of occurred, since Sydney Freedland, of Reservation Dogs fame directed four of the five episodes, and she was more than capable of bringing home a stellar series. It seemed as if Marvel's hand in this might've taken the ship off-course.
One thing that I really wanted to see more of was the relationship between Maya and Bonnie. They played it up as if they were sisters forcibly removed from one another's lives, but they barely utilized Bonnie. She seemed more like a set piece used to move the story forward, and that was through no fault on the behalf of Devery Jacobs, who's a tremendous, young actor. I will say that Alaqua Cox did a tremendous job as Maya Lopez/Echo. For someone w/out a lot of acting credits to their name, she really held her own well, and she did herself proud as a representative of the Indigenous, deaf, and disabled communities. I also greatly appreciated the message that strong, intelligent, capable women could accomplish anything together. I really hope that her character is used to better effect in the new Daredevil series.
I was so excited for this as I liked Maya since Hawkeye. She's such an interesting and new character with different hardships and obstacles. A lot of people don't like that she has powers, but I don't even see them as powers. It's not something she created or found. It's something she's always had. It brings out her history, and she uses it for the present. This series really dived into Choctaw culture, and I loved it. The sounds and sights are so saturated like the pure, rapid action stunts. I don't know if it was the acting or dialogue from some actors but it was really stiff and the way it was edited was always either too soon or too long. Something was off, and it took a lot out of my attention and interest, but as per with Marvel, the finale always makes up for it, although it shouldn't have to.
Massive spoilers from beginning to end!!!
I really wanted to like this show more. I heard the trash thrown at it and believed it could've been amazing. But after watching the end, it lacks so much... It has it's pros but it's just alright. 6/10..
Honestly, if they got rid of the past storylines and changed it to Echo's past with Kingpin. Then, got rid of her powers and kept her grounded. And keep her story involved with the crime world more. This show would've been way better. Then in a second season or movie, they could've gave her powers like she eventually gets in the comics and built on that without shoving it a 5 episode show along with 2 other plotlines.
Pros:
- Acting is great. They didn't fail with that.
Any moment with Kingpin was amazing. Kingpin never fails to make the best scenes.
The family dynamic was great.
Cons:
- The stories of the past made the story at hand feel weak with no importance. They were out of place, barely any depth, and just used for the "I'm stronger than you now" scene.
There was barely any scenes that actually involved the crime life. Mainly scenes from the past, a few criminals every so often then Kingpin in the end.
Adding on to the previous complaints. Majority of the show just referred to Native things. I love the representation and providing (as far as I know) realistic lives of Natives for the most part but it felt like almost every scene was trying to prove they were Natives. It didn't feel like I was watching a show about the crime world, it felt like I was watching a Native drama. Look at Ms. Marvel for example. They show the Muslim life so well. It's everywhere yet it doesn't interfere with the story. The only issue they had were the power changes and the whole past timeline with the bracelets (Same issue this show had)
Another ending where it's "family vs bad guys". I hated it in Blue Beetle and I hate it now. It's corny, just let the capable fighters be the capable fighters. No need for "magical family fights".
Finally, Kingpin shows up just to be no threat at all. It's like he's this big bad guy as he's supposed to be presented then Echo just uses her powers and beats them with no issue at all. The entirety of the show was supposed to lead to this moment then it's over in what felt like seconds...
Marvel Studio's output over the last few outings have been, umm, lackluster. There has been nothing much to engage my interest, and this was another example, around 6 hours of nothing much, and no payoff or even clifffhanger. A bit pointless really.
This is the most disgusting & worst story i've ever seen in my entire life.B&W shows are far better than this one.Just absolute garbage
Whether you're still happy with the Marvel Cinematic Universe or not, most fans can agree that things are in a tough spot right now. A large amount of discourse around newly released movies and TV shows tends to either be about superhero fatigue or the multipronged direction the MCU is taking (in comparison to early stages of the MCU where the buildup to things made much more sense). It's complicated timing for anything to be released, let alone a miniseries like Echo, expected not to be as connected to everything else.
There was a lot that could have gone right with Echo. It's the first release under the "Marvel Spotlight" banner — for more grounded and self-contained stories focusing on certain characters — and one that could've been a return to form, sort of dipping its toes on Daredevil territory again before the Daredevil: Born Again series comes along, while introducing a cool character with her own backstory. It's also shorter than other series and released all at once, getting closer to a movie treatment than previous MCU shows (which I think would have benefitted some of those shows quite a bit).
Unfortunately, it's in its storytelling where Echo fails to measure up to the other shows. The show tries to juggle too many things all at once; because of that, it has a very strange, quick pacing full of exposition, which I'd say doesn't help get viewers invested in the lives of these characters as much as it could have. The first episode alone wastes a lot of time by showing us scenes we've already seen and tries to hype up the show and its connections to key characters, but from there onwards, the story languishes in a largely pointless conflict with Fisk and his men, who are way too cartoonish.
Vincent D'Onofrio as Fisk is easily the best the series has to offer, and a big part of what makes this worth watching, especially if you're a fan of the Netflix original Daredevil series. That he is still involved — knowing about his appreciation for the Daredevil series and the character — and still owning the screen as this character does raise the level of the show. If Maya had been a more compelling character, between her and Fisk I would have been happier with the show; however, as much as I like her as a crime-fighting hero and think she fits this corner of the MCU well, outside of those activities, the character is angry and frowning 90% of the time. I get that she has a tragic backstory and has been dealing with loss and betrayal, but there are personality facets missing that don't help me connect with the character.
There were things I enjoyed about the show, such as the ancestral flashbacks; I didn't love how convenient Maya's powers were when needed the most, but the access to them via ancestral memories was interesting to see. The small town as the main location was fine as opposed to New York once again (we get just enough of New York, so there's a nice contrast between locations). I also really enjoyed the use of ASL on scenes by focusing on it entirely without attempting to draw you away like so many shows and movies tend to do. I was unsure what to make of Fisk having the eye tech to bypass learning it, but saw a comment online suggesting "if he truly cared about Maya, he would've made the effort to learn," which is a very interesting take.
In general, definitely not the worst MCU TV show, but also not the best. It stands in the middle for me, benefiting a lot from the fact that it's a miniseries, but it's possible that it would've made more sense as just a movie. As a nostalgic fan of the Netflix show days, I find it a little sad that a show bringing back Wilson Fisk and even a brief Daredevil fight ends up being not as memorable as it could have, but at least those things happened. The fact that Fisk stands out so much makes me very curious about what a "Wilson Fisk series" would be like, especially given Vincent D'Onofrio's vocal love for the character and continued involvement.
As has been the case of late, a bit bummed with the MCU, but still cautiously optimistic.
I wanted this to be good, but I just can't find a way to say it was. Cliche dialogue and the whole thing was rushed. The acting can only lift a show so much, especially that of Cox, D'Onofrio, and Green. Good concept, terrible execution.
Honestly, it's just another mediocre MCU Disney+ show. As expected, the Kingpin is the only highpoint. I don't know why this is made and who this is for. I suspect that the only reason this exists is that they really wanted to make a show with a non-white disabled woman in the lead, which is fine, if it wasn't so obvious that the quality of the story came second (or third) to that during the production.
Waste of our time and D'Onofrio's talent. Woke nonsense. Rate 1/10
Cool they put native Americans front and center. After all it was their land before Columbus stole their land.
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It was cool that they had the cast from Reservation Dogs. If you have not seen that show, it’s a must watch.
I don't know what I was expecting. In some ways this was really beautiful. I think they were really trying (and by all accounts succeeding) in highlighting & incorporating Choctaw language and culture. But at no point did I really understand how she was supposed to be "one of the good guys". Just the opposite. She's a villain throughout, but the story is told in a way that is sympathetic to her because, hey, at least she's not quite as bad as Kingpin (who really stole every scene he was in). Her power set is never really well explained or clearly demonstrated. I almost feel like they were focusing so much on the idea of a Choctaw character who also happens to be an amputee (a point perhaps over emphasized in the fight scenes) that they didn't pay enough attention to telling a story. My feelings are so mixed on this. I love many things about it. But I also see so much missed potential. I think I have to reluctantly offer a thumbs down.
Also, BTW, for those who didn't notice... the actress that plays Maya's childhood BFF "Bonnie", Devery Jacobs, is also the voice of Kahhori... but since she was used for this live-action "one and done", they will probably need to re-cast Kahhori if she every comes to live action (and I really hope they do bring her to live action, because her character got a fantastic introduction that leaves one eager for more of her story).
Also we def. need to see more of Wilson Fisk. I think that's really what Disney wanted to do here is set up Wilson Fisk as a recurring power player that has crossovers with all the street level NYC characters we've seen already and who are yet to come.
Great series. The fighting scenes were few but really good. The only bad thing in S1 is the finale, it was pretty bad. The finale fight scene was anticlimactic compared to the previous fight scenes. Her powers were interesting but they needed to keep it more grounded imo, it's cool that she can have learned abilities from her ancestors, but having super strength/healing powers doesn't go with the theme.
Gives me hope for Daredevil with how good he and Kingpin were in this.
This is from the Elite level Marvell Fan, so bear that in mind when i say this....
The one thing ive noticed by avid fans way back when Wandavision wowwed us all an that the mini-series boom thanks to the help of Disney+ has so many high-expectations an all the hype of the next big Movie Release which in ny view is why so many of them have had much lower responses than they deserve.
In fairness you cant compare say Endgame to say Hawkeye series .
The Movie is the Pivotal Main Storyline in the MCU whereas the Series are the interwoven interlinking stories behind all the stories, backdrops an items that dont warrant within the Movie, aahhhh!
That said now Echo, 5 episodes an dubbing out all the negativitie the shows seems to of hammered with ive never enjoyed any mini series more i did, flying thru all 5 in 1 go it has the feel of a marvel mcu show but 5 were enough an tturned my least favourite character onto my favourite an how they managed to change my mind in 5 shows is beyond bur im glad they did.
Mya welcome to the ggod side an welcome she is.
An pkus i love marvel new directipn an decided to swerve awayx from the tiresome typical white mans story. its boring an they way rheyve done it introducing actual factual backstorys. an this was the best by far.
I spent the day after researching an learning more aboutcthe Chackow.
Remarkable.
The fight scenes were fresh and creative. I'm still thinking about that chair kick. Everything else was meh; Lots of talking for the sake of talking. Only like 3 fights in the whole show, so the rest feels like a waste of time.
It was cool to see Daredevil and Kingpin in this show, and the character of Echo was pretty interesting. However, this show seemed to be trying to stuff too many things into five episodes leading to a finale that seemed a little rushed.
If you are not happy with this series either, then you are simply fed up with the idea of Marvel series, or you have ridiculous preconceptions!
Shout by BartBlockedParent2024-01-11T19:20:07Z
Binge-watched it but not that special, you can skip it.