Had my jaw on the floor for the entire time.
This is was so mind blowing it stayed with me for days...
It feels like I am watching Mindhunter...Honestly, my hands sweat a lot...
These Netflix true crime docs are on some other shit.
Being Canadian, I remember following this case. It was quite a shocker on the level of Bernardo/Homolka and Pickton Farm cases. Still, the documentary gave me a whole lot more to think about. The internet hunt for the killer angle is actually pretty fascinating. These people picked apart each video and each photo for the tiniest of clues, and they actually succeeded at identifying the suspect and tracking him down much earlier than the police did. It's all great and entertaining to watch. However, there is a reason why police choose not to engage with so-called "armchair detectives". Civilians being involved with a potential serial killer is trouble waiting to happen, evidence might get dismissed in court based on how it was obtained, jurisdiction and chain of command issues, you name it. They don't need vigilantes running amok and potentially messing up their case and hurting themselves.
The "nerds" claim that if they were taken seriously the murder could have been avoided. I doubt it. Knowing how easily people get away with animal abuse due to some loosey-goosey laws on the subject, the cops probably couldn't have done much beyond a ban on owning animals and some probationary crap for distribution of explicit materials online. There was no stopping the murder from happening. In fact, there is a big question, and it's touched upon in the documentary, whether the existence of the "internet nerds" and their persistent efforts to track the guy actually egged the killer on. He craved the audience and they gave it to him. He wanted a game of cat and mouse and they gave it to him. Unfortunately, you can't help but think that they were unwitting participants in this thing. While Baudi Moovan acknowledges this fact and obviously feels somewhat conflicted, I thought that John Green character was disturbingly nonchalant about it. I mean, the guy watched the murder video at least twenty times when it came out because he just couldn't stop. Just saying, it's a bit creepy.
And there is also the whole debate about the guy in Africa, and how the group's actions and witch hunt actually might have contributed to a very tragic event.
Also, because I am an animal lover and cat owner, I was very worried about the disturbing content and subject matter of the show. So here's my two cents for anyone hesitant to watch this. The first episode is all about the cat videos, so prepare to be sad. They don't show the graphic content, but the show's participants describe the videos in some detail before breaking down at the most horrific parts. So if you don't engage your imagination, you can get through it. It's still very upsetting emotionally, but there is no gore or visuals to give you nightmares. I thought the documentary was worth the discomfort because it is very well done if you enjoy true crime.
Some details are really stretched far though. While I can accept the Basic Instinct connection as a loose inspiration for the murder, the poster, the Casablanca clue, the cigarette, and the leg crossing thing were all just hilariously overestimated. It makes for cool entertainment, but obviously not realistic. I think they did get Manny's origin correct though. Use your own judgment and don't give in too much to the sensationalism.
This is a 3-part documentary series about hunting a murderer, which all kicked off when a lady on Facebook saw a video of a man killing kittens. I found the initial idea of the documentary quite interesting - the videos were shocking and awful - but in the end it seems to be a bunch of ideas loosely tied together with almost no connection. I can't avoid spoilers in my review - so I have marked the entire review as such.
At first a Facebook group is formed to find the murderer. They analyse everything in his room and find out he is in North America. In actuality he is located in Canada. The sleuthing is honestly very interesting and the best part of this documentary especially around the civilians doing the investigation. They analyse literally everything and they do make some progress, but unfortunately their investigations lead to the wrong individual, and more zealous members of the group abuse him until he eventually commits suicide. It is not implied that the investigation led to his suicide as he already had depression. They make no more progress until they are spoon fed the killer's name by presumably the killer himself, who is also following the investigation. The documentary is made about a crime in 2012 so you can already see how much Facebook and the internet has changed - Facebook now allows you to report accounts with fake names. Facebook has become somewhat more legitimate - it is now a website that employers check when they want to learn more about you - it has stricter guidelines on violent and graphic content and nudity.
In even the first episode we are already receiving red herrings. The group is being misled by the killer in an attempt to hide more effectively. The red herring for the viewer is the amount the group actually contributes to the investigation. They provide police in their state information about the man killing the kittens and his name, but they are ignored.
Until in episode 2, the killer murders someone. The police start investigating, there is no mention of the Facebook group or any of their contributions, in fact from this point the group takes a more passive role. The police find the body and body parts thanks to a janitor. They find out that body parts have been mailed to both major political parties in Canada. Then they find that the killer has left the apartment and no longer lives there. There are fake connections to Russia and European countries. Eventually the police join the facebook group and all the group members are rolling their eyes, however, they still contribute nothing to the investigation. The lead female detective watches his murder video and cries only when she realises he killed a puppy.
The best part in this episode is finding out who the victim is. His friend is so melancholy and still so hurt by the death of the killer's first and only victim. He mentions going to his apartment let in by the building superintendant. He sees eggs ready for frying and the cat is starving having not been fed. "He would never leave his cat like this." He alerts police, and then he later finds out there's a video. The killer playing with the vicitm's head is how he realises that it was his friend who was murdered. I really liked this part, it was very humanising for the victim to give him some backstory, not to just be part of a sick killer's murder video.
Unfortunately the documentary includes interviews with the killer's deluded mother who still proclaims his innocence. It makes you feel as if they lied to her to have her on the documentary. Her part only serves to give a backstory to the killer, which kind of helps show why he would do this evil stuff. She also believes someone was behind the scenes orchestrating the choices that the killer is making. The group also contributes nothing still and finds the killer's location too late - once he has already gone to France.
From there Interpol takes over the investigation with the French police, who again miss the killer. We have more shit from the mum, and more interviews with the 2 main group members. The final post in the group is a video from the CCTV camera of the killer being caught by the German police after fleeing Paris to Berlin. Always a step behind they finally catch him when the clerk of the internet cafe alerts them after having been online reading foreign news. This one man made much more of an impact than a facebook group of more than 5000 members, including the assistance of a group of bikies who fight animal abuse. All of these 90,000 fans and the bikie group contributed absolutely nothing to the investigation and this documentary didn't need to be 3 hours long.
In the conclusion of the final episode they bring up the idea of a pimp who is manipulating the killer into committing crimes. The huge reveal that this is part of a plotline to a movie was incredible.
If you check his wikipedia page, the killer Luka Magnotta has 1 single line stating that he was sought by animal rights groups for killing cats but he was not convicted of any of those crimes. I liked the final part of the documentary where the 2 main members of the group finally meet in Las Vegas. There is one segment where the main lady quit the group temporarily after a video of the casino she works at is released, but...nothing happens? They also leave out the fact that he committed necrophilia on the corpse. That would probably eclipse the cat murders too much.
This documentary could have been cut to half the time or even a third of the time. Now, in modern times, internet sleuths sometimes do contribute to criminal investigations and leads are investigated, but in this documentary...it didn't turn out that way.
Great series, very well made. I was surprised that no one addressed the third hand in the python video though.......
All I can say is, that you will not expect what this shit is actually about.
MY THOUGHTS ON DON'T F--K WITH CATS: HUNTING AN INTERNET KILLER:
-WARNING: Spoilers Below-
I don't usually watch Docuseries like this so coming into this was a completely new experience for me. I wasn't sure whether I'd like it or not or what it would be filmed like and so on. I had heard a fair few positives about this and a few close friends and family members all recommended I tried this out, apparently it was extremely dark and that it was baffling.
I ended up binge watching this in an entire day! I'm usually a sucker for documentaries so this was a blessing to me. I've never watched a crime one so this being my first one was also great. Unfortunately like most documentaries though DFWC tends to get quite boring at times so if you're someone with a short attention span I feel like you'll struggle finishing this.
What happens in this is some of the sickest stuff I have ever heard and to find out that one human is capable of such wickedness honestly upsets me. At times I really do believe the human race is doomed. On a positive note though DFWC shows you the power that hundreds of people have especially when they're all driven by one positive goal.
Overall I quite enjoyed this, it was a good little watch that made me question a whole lot of things and made me feel awful at times but also grateful that we have people that will band together to fight nasty people.
Overall rating: 7/10
its exciting and 'thriller'-esque while watching it, but once the immersion breaks, thinking back on it, this is kind of absurd.
the entire 'amateur' investigation hinges on waiting for the guy to literally send them a message with his name. they paint themselves as being ahead of the police, but after the murder happens they have no role or contribution besides spectating as it develops. absolutely wild to have it painted as investigating and digging up clues when theyre really just reading the news and sharing it on facebook for the entire 2nd and 3rd acts.
I found this to be very interesting. Somehow I missed any mention of this as it was happening. It was very cool to see how the amateur sleuths went about dissecting and fleshing out clues. Overall tho this is worth a watch.
I'm half convinced that this is all made-up, but no, this is real. Really happened. I just. Wow. Deep condolences for Jun Lin's family.
One of the best true crime docs, in large part because it's paced so well, and was an entirely appropriate 3 episodes, not the bloated drawn out 10 (or more).
Unbelievable stuff. I felt sorry for his mother. A mother will defend her son until her dying breath .
I have watched a lot of true crime documentaries but never have I ever felt this sick to my stomach. I usually can take a lot but this was too much.
First of all this is very well done. They did it very good and interesting with how the episodes are focusing on different parts of the story.
What I totally disliked was how they kept showing the videos and having the police department lady having a breakdown on camera even though she said to just stop for a minute. A miss from them was showing the actual murder (censored but you can clearly see what happens) video on screen for so long. Now Jun Lin’s mother will hear him die once again. It’s not fair to his family to have his death monetized like this.
The ending is seriously so badly done with Deanna, bitch you gave this man 2 years of attention while us watching this documentary give him 3 hours, and then blame us. He is at least stuck inside jail where he should be but at least he won’t know how many watched the documentary.
Netflix is really knocking it out of the park with these true crime documentaries. This is another fantastically created series.
omit 4chan's help and research and claim it was the epic facegroup group who also get a innocent dude killed in the meantime. Cringe documentary, giving a animal killer a documentary is good!!! 4chan bad!!!!
Netflix has so many good documentary series on true news stories that people have either forgotten about or never heard of. This is just another example, as this follows the 2010 story about a building serial killer/psychopath who began his terror on the internet and made it a game as people digitally chased him. The way they had the two main people from the true story as the main characters in the documentary was great. The filming of it how they build the story up and have the interviewees go back and act as if they were back in the past when the story was still developing was really well done. Lastly, the way the filming is done as it goes back and traces their digital steps in a high intensity was very entertaining.
absolutely mental, had heard of luka before but didn't realise this was about him until like half way through, hated the kitten videos, made me wanna cry.
Put this on not knowing it was actually about Luca Magnotta. I remember seeing it in the trending shows for a while so I am surprised I am only watching it now. However my jaw was on the floor when I realized these cat videos are being linked to Luca Magnotta. So as a fellow Canadian I admired that element of surprise considering I remember exactly where I was when I found out about the mailed body parts at parliament. Once that part came I knew the rest of the story from watching it unfold in the news. But I can see how this is a great documentary that tells the complete story.
Overall, I liked this show. The ending felt a bit hypocritical, and the reaction to the human murder seemed a bit lacking compared to the reaction to the cat killings, but that was all fairly minuscule. I found the twists really intriguing.
I would have preferred this story much more w/out so much input from Luka Magnotta's mother. The filmmakers could've just as easily introduced the character of Manny w/out placing the mother front-and-center as an apologist for her animal abusing, murderous son. There was no need for her input, other than maybe some background on Luka's upbringing. Even then, any information from the mother was tainted by her severe bias. It was pretty clear, she believed what she was saying, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that she's a Republican who believes in any number of right-wing conspiracies. She's that far off the deep-end.
Don't F*** with Cats is an exceptional documentary that takes you on a wild ride you never saw coming. The series kept me engaged from start to finish, with its intense storyline and unexpected twists. It's a must-watch for anyone who loves true crime and wants a gripping, thrilling experience.
Kinda contradictory.
He committed mur*d3r3d bc he wanted attention, they did a documentary with his story, showing the videos and his photos but... suddenly YOU can be a complicit for "stay at home watching a fucking documentary" ?? I think you're more complicit than me on the 5u1c1d3 of that innocent guy that you and your "justice group" persecute.
watched this because someone recommended it to me and all i can say was, "holy fudge, i wasn't expecting for this". Literally mind-blowing, disturbing, and heart-breaking to watch.
Now, every time i see a cat, I can't help but think of this docuseries :( it's so painful to watch, especially, the first episode (it has the most gruesome scenes out of the 3 eps. Though not very detailed but still uncomfortable to watch). Please please brace yourself when you start watching this :(((
I remember seeing the Title of this and found it interesting that it was called this..So I decided to watch not knowing what I'm about to watch..It's crazy how it starts off and how it goes into what it is.
Don't watch it. Rest in peace Jun Lin.
This documentary just sucked me in. I want more like these! Definitely a mind trip.
One of best if not the best netflix docuseries.
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What did I just watch?!?
After hearing a lot of talk surrounding this series, I decided to give it a go & OMG, it certainly lived up to the hype. The series follows a group of people who, after watching a video on the internet, where a guy is killing kittens, make it their goal to track this guy down.
I know there are those apprehensive about watching the series, given the subject matter, but thankfully it doesn`t show too much of the footage, often concentrating on the parts of the video before the acts take place. Its an unusual set up to a series, but things go even stranger, to a point where, if this were in a movie, you would say that it goes OTT. But this is real life. As the saying goes, fact is stranger than fiction.
In my opinion, this is one of these must watch shows, like making a murderer etc. Its not for everyone, but I think most people will be really captivated by the events of the story.