Everything fell apart when they introduced that stupid fucking rocket with the bombs. How did they even get the bombS up in space in the correct spots and then get them to stay in that location? Not looking forward to season 2 tbh.
Overall, I am satisfied with the series, although Will(s) brain now being "lost in space" is kind of a bummer. Sophon rubbing it in with, "I would have liked to have met Will", was just salt in the wound, especially since I have a feeling they could have saved him if they really wanted to. Saul is slow on the uptake because he's lost in a weed haze, which, just as IRL, is slowing down his synapsis and dulling his senses, taking the edge off of his critical reasoning faculties. Looks like Tatiana leveled up from AAA 2 bit assassin to AA, or maybe even the majors now that she has her own headset to jack in with. Clarence wrapped things up nicely with his bug analogy. try as hard as we do and, bugs are still around pestering us and giving the ick. Look forward to the next series.
If they can hack into 3 automated cars to kill Saul, TF they doing when he's on an airplane, just malfunction some microcontrollers on the plane and crash it.
Also if the probe is flying at 80km/s as they show after the 3rd blast, the velocity is not increasing, hence there is no acceleration hence no force acting hence no stress in the joints, how TF did it snap.
Besides all of this, if their proton computer can mess up results of a particular accelerator, and they fear humans, just set off the abundant nuclear weapons we have. problem solved. why the elaborate plan of taking down humanity with taking down science.
F**king mentally ill lowlifes. They trying to glorify terrorists. Because of these type of executive producers, we are watching these kind of craps.
I'm sad that this is the last episode for a long time. Maybe it's time to read the books :joy:
In this episode, Netflix declares a terrorist from the PYD group, which is the terror extension of the PKK, as a Hero / wallfacer.
It went downhill after E05. The last 3 episodes were so boring. They should’ve made 6 episodes. Next season could be interesting tho so im not giving up. Overall a 7.5 for me.
A very intriguing and interesting and creative episode.
Some disappointments, and the Saul's selection baffles me, but there must be a reason. Looking forward to season 2. Hope I don't have to wait 400 years for answers. :flushed::thumbsup_tone1:
As someone "smart" Saul is easily the dumbest person on the show. Why did they write him like this?
Am I crazy or did some of the dialogue audio get messed up in this episode? Almost like something very slightly muffling the audio of Jin and the shooter.
Mixed feelings as a book reader.
I like how they stuck to source material for the Wallfacers bit, even quoting lines from the book verbatim. It was kind of like an apology for episodes 6 and 7 being 100% original material, not in the books, and both episodes sucked...
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Ok, I'm really confused what the writers were thinking. They made up the entire brain rocket plot, only to have it fail. Why make up a bunch of dumb shit up only for it to be entirely inconsequential? Were they trying to make it more emotional? The book was plenty emotional if they didn't strip away all the depth and nuance in their adaptation. Also, the author goes into detail about how nukes don't work in space, so they can't just nuke the alien fleet. Then these moron writers make an entire plot line around nukes in space. While writing adapting the very book that says that's impossible.
I'm glad they at least included the bug scene at the end as a nice way to wrap up until next season. Like, ok, maybe we are bugs, but we still have hope for survival.
I think this was a reasonably good episode overall, it somewhat brought the spark back after extinguishing it in episodes 6 and 7.
Now I'd like to see the show directors forced to write "Stick to the source material" on a chalkboard 900 times before they work on Season 2.
Ye Wenjie made a comment/speech/prayer about having a couple of ideas left in her in episode 6. In episode 7 she is seen holding books on Game Theory and Fermi's Paradox. Then she has a strange meeting with Saul where she tells him a very badly delivered joke about not playing with God. The following speech about private jokes and people not surviving without them had definite "undertones". And then she goes to China to kill herself. Then in this episode Saul is made a Wallfacer. I'm convinced Ye Wenjie is somehow behind Saul becoming the third Wallfacer for reasons yet to be revealed. (I've watched the TenCent version which never gets to the Wallfacers, and I haven't read the books, so this is my own theory, not a spoiler.)
The staircase plan was even more stupid than I thought...
Already noted that when they sent the bombs they didn't know when they would send the module, so how could they have planned their positions ?
There's "a couple hours" before reaching the first detonation after launch. But the bombs can only have been left behind (you can't position them on Earth orbits because orbital speed is fixed, so there would be no way to line them up), and Earth moves way faster on its orbit than we can send spacecrafts. So if they sent them two days before, it would need at least 3 times that to reach the first one. Anyway the first one needs to be far enough from Earth that its EMP does not affect existing satellites, so several thousands kilometers from geostationary orbit at the very least. This alone is days.
And with all that they need the sail to pass exactly centred on the bomb. And no way to adjust (extra propulsion on the module won't have any effect if it's dragged by the sail). Which means really 0 margin for calculations errors (like a few extra grams ?).
But anyway the worst thing, since it's centred, it means the explosion occurs between the sail and the module (otherwise the module would just bump into it). Which means that not only does the module gets the full blast (so need to be armoured to take it + radiation protected so that the brain survives) it also fully pass through the explosion.
And that means the explosion simultaneously pushes forward on the sail, backwards on the module, sideways on the cables... Really a shitty design.
No wonder it breaks... But I assume Will is not lost, because this was the only point of the character, so... that'd be pretty annoying to have to endure his storyline for this.
The Wallfacer part was pretty fun. Though I still don't know why the San Ti would not be able to read our minds (they can manipulate extremely precisely what our brain sees but they wouldn't be able to read it ? When they actually communicate by telepathy between themselves ?). But this simple realization and efficiently turning it into this worldwide project shows again how amazing Wade is.
And the whole bit with Saul saying he refuses, and everyone being "yes sir, of course sir", was hilarious. I guess his brain is still on weed and can't realize yet :)
But however smart and fun that is, as a project it is probably not much better than the staircase one.
1) They can be killed easily. Do they get 24/7 protection like Saul ?
2) The attempts at his life were pretty weak. They have the means for much smarter, either precise, or with massive collateral damage, attacks. They could also chain them non stop with backup over backup plans. And just for starters, why the hell are they always on plane (taking him to UN, and Wade afterwards) ?? Just mess up the bits with the instruments and it's done. Smart saying that they want to meet Wade, that gives a plot armour that takes care of (a bit) of this plothole.
3) Even without outside plans to kill them, apparently just seeing the countdown drove some people crazy. They could do so much worse (maybe a bit like Wade's horror visions) 24/7, see how much they can think of a plan with that, and how long they survive without being able to sleep.
4) Even if they're safe, they can't keep a 400 years plan in their mind. Specially as the other two are already pretty old. They can't even transmit secret plans to their successors.
5) And even at their own time scale, they can't communicate between themselves either, so they could have similar (hence useless) plans, or even worse interfering ones.
The bug analogy was a bit on the nose and corny, but yeah, I'll buy, was a good way to end.
From a somewhat interesting start this show really turned into a shitshow with absolutely ludicrous story, total absence of actual science and populated with drama queens, selfish morons and pacifists.
And the probe? Humanity's survival is at stake and they create something that breaks apart from shoddy manufacturing?
Did they get some DEI hire from Boeing to put it together?
Most 'meh' finale ever...
Maybe it will get interesting in 400 years........
It was kind of lowkey for a season finale.
I'm sorry, but WTF was that? An multi-billion dollar idea to shoot a brain at 0.1% of lightspeed while the enemy fleet goes the opposite direction for milliseconds to pickup that brain and reanimate it to have a guy on the "INSIDE?" What kind of looney bin idea is that.
A decent first season and there's enough to enjoy, but the quality of the show is out of balance. Acting performances go from great to really bad and for every good episode there's a dissapointing one. The story is interesting, but feels rushed at times. Best performances this first season in my opinion go to Bendedict Wong, Alex Sharp and Jess Hong. All three of them act really natural and subtle. Unfortunately this can't be said for Eiza González and Saamer Usmani. Usmani's acting is so fabricated and fake that it makes me question if it's on purpose and he's actually an alien.
Looking forward to a second season and hope they can improve on the first.
As someone who hasn’t read the books nor knew anything about this story, I consider this to be a solid show.
However I think it lacks depth and an emotional anchor. Who’s the main character? Eiza? Benedict? Jin? Like I get that the show revolves around a friend group but someone’s perspective has to stand out. I personally would’ve liked for Benedict to be the center of the show, but I get that would’ve made it more of a detective show, so I wanted more out of Eiza and Jin.
Also I feel like the show was missing something visually, if you were to choose 4 screenshots to represent the vibe of the show which ones would be? I think when Vera jumps inside that golden room, when her mom and tatiana are watching the sunset in china, when saul and that other guy are in the beach house and that’s it?
There was way more to exploit out of this show, more character develop needed, more world building.
Imagine if this was an HBO show! I can think of the Leftovers, that most of it was set in the suburbs, it didn’t need crazy settings or crazy effects but you could feel the show.
I’ve read some comments about how adapting the book can be challenging, but I feel like this was extremely digested for us, and everything was solved within the same episode, by episode 4-5 there wasn’t any mystery left.
All this aside, it’s an interesting and solid watch, hopefully we don’t have to wait 2+ years for a second season.
well. cya in a few weeks. I'm off to read the three-book series, as I must know what happens next.
This was one funny episode! Why did they make Saul so goofy! his interactions with the others was priceless. It really reminds me of "Lost" conversations.
Why they choose me ?
you will know soon
when ?
when it is the right time
Very good finale of course after reading everything about what is this show about (at the beginning i had no idea about the books and stuff). So yes one of the few after the empire destruction of Netflix watchable shows, "Dark" vibes and quality.
Idk what happened last two episodes, they were so boring. Other than Will's new role, it was so off track. This episode really brought it together. The intrigue of this story was brought back with Saul's promotion and what happens to the Staircase Project and the ending. Really though, even with Benedict Wong and Liam Cunninham's performances, the dialogue is so weird sometimes that it really takes you out of the scene. I heard this got renewed for S2, I hope the D & D brothers don't muck it up again.
Well, I didn't expect much...
Everything leans on the presumed fact the San-Ti cannot lie. However, they might be expert liars. Is everyone just this gullible?
As usual, I had problems with it but didn’t really care. It was cool.
I’m at a point with these shows where I feel the writers, director and perhaps the sound man need to be brought to an international court for crimes against our attention span with a high crime of wasting everyone time.
It seemed like a demo tape for a new camera with long droning cello’s — all enclosed locations, terrible dialogue, a character not established enough for the audience to commit any empathy towards (nor any other character.) Really melodramatic for no reason. Like the shot is a girl putting that thing on and you think its going to cut to the alternative world, but the tension continues instead to a lab guy pulling a smoky probe out a hole. The music continues to build obnoxiously, like a Key & Peele level absurdity -until two characters ( I’ve clocked 6 hours watching but still unsure of who they are and why I should care) step out and watch a rocket launch. Long music cue, shots of close-ups of people i dont care about, music is blaring 15 minutes later - nothing burger.
The episode has four of these moments of blue balls inducing suspense. The first is at the UN, long monologue extremely poor writing, tension building, shmuck refuses to stand - tension drops to full orchestra. Nothing burger- literally what is the point of this shows score? To fill the void of how poorly written it is? Perhaps :thinking: or maybe its an illusion of a show; a corporate sprint that attempts to dot the tee’s and cross the eyes to just suck the soul out of your already jilted soul.
This last episode was very boring. Essentially nothing happened; and mostly nothing happened since a couple back. I hope season 2 gets a little bit better but for now is barely a 6
I hope it gets cancelled. terrible adaptation
It made me sleepy in the middle of it
It's evident I'm enjoying the episodes more that are based on the second book, which I haven't read yet. So to enjoy the show more, I shouldn't read the remaining books. But my curiosity might be too strong for that.
Shout by whos_ur_buddhaBlockedParent2024-03-29T00:50:24Z
Well that was a complete waste of time. Nothing happens after episode 5. They should’ve ended the season at episode 5