I don't want to waste any more time thinking about this movie, but seriously, there's no way to explain how bad it is. Four hours bloated with paper-thin characters and kindergarten-level storylines, of which less than half gets a proper closure, by the way. It also comes with some of the cheesiest action scenes and worst-looking special effects I have ever seen in a blockbuster. PS3 videogames have better CGI backgrounds. People have been talking about Snyder's obsession with slow-motion (almost 25 minutes here), but I was more annoyed by how he keeps showing off the exact same three dolly movements in every scene. Another proof that you can sell the most childish shit as a dark and thought-provoking auteur masterpiece as long as you got some smart marketing behind.
Yes, there are some (few) relevant changes. But none of them makes this an essentially better movie. Far too many flaws and issues remain.
And most of all, it still doesn't provide much joy or entertainment, especially considering its extreme length now.
The final 15-20 minutes even managed to make this a worse experience. The value of all these tiny bits of previews and introductions didn't surpass generic trailers.
I liked the film very much. It is long but it doesn't get boring. Now everything makes sense because you have an explanation the tells you why things are happening.
Waay better than the 2017 one, almost an entirely different movie, liked it very much.
Was the Snyder cut worth the wait? Yes, absolutely. It's not the greatest comic book movie ever made. There are moments when it crawls to a snail's pace and there is a little too much exposition. However, there is much to like here, with more time devoted to characters who were cut short in the original, and a great final act that proves how good Snyder is when it comes to blockbuster action. I didn't hate the 2017 original, but this is a whole lot better. It's dark and sometimes masterful, and befitting of the style that Snyder has shown throughout his tenure with the DCEU. It's his movie and I'm glad his vision was finally realised.
Still a slog to get through. Only good additions was more backstory for Cyborg. Oh, and the epilog was absolutely terrible. Worse than fanfiction.
An overall extraordinary film, a visually stimulating and emotionally charged journey from start to end. I had never been a gigantic Zack Snyder fan, and I have never attempted to bother and watch the original Justice League, so for this film, I went in blind. Obviously, I roughly knew what was going to transpire, but that didn't damp my experience one ounce; my eyes still stuck to the screen the whole time. From the great characterization, to the dialogue and motivations that are surprisingly strong, this film is a spectacle. Not only for the history of how this was made, not because of all the heart that went behind this project, but because of the story and characters itself, because of how it all fits together like a jigsaw piece, how it flows so smoothly together like a never ending waterfall.
Usually for any film, there are nitpicks. For this film, there are a few, but barley any to damper the experience. Out of my tally, I had a grand total of 7 nitpicks out of the 68 most notable moments to this film. Yes, I had recorded all the important and or "flashy" moments for this film, and out of the 68, I only had 7 nitpicks; that should tell you something.
Like a $2000 stimmy check, Snyder's Justice League is worth the wait.
An epic super hero opera, every person even remotely connected to this film, from the actors to the writers to the janitor, takes themselves dangerously too seriously, but that's so much better than not doing nothing at all.
No spoilers ! Got to watch it earlier this week as a critic. Definitely way better than the first. we get to see a bit more character development and origin. There's a new character revealed that wasn't in the first movie. I'd rate this a 7/10
Makes the 2017 cut looks like trash!
Probably the first four-hour movie that I watched in one sitting. Not a perfect one, but the first fiction that caused me emotions since "Endgame". The plot is interesting. The characters are developed. The soundtrack is incredible. It could have been a beginning of something, but, you know what happened. Such a pity that a franchise with this potential has been lost.
Honestly after all the fuss, all the hype, all the money spent to finish this...we’ve essentially got basically the exact same movie.
Sure this fixes some of the issues with the theatrical version, removing the kinda pointless Russian family scenes for example. However instead it replaces them with other unnecessary scenes, like the Flash saving a woman who I think is supposed to be Iris West not that she ever says her name or does this have any bearing on the rest of the movie. Sprinkle in a little bit of Darkside where he wasn’t before and pad out with long slow mo sequences motion and establishment shots.
I’m not saying this is terrible, it’s not, just most of what works is already present in the theatrical cut, its just stretched out. I thought the theatrical was fine a 6/10 with some issues...this cut is the same a 6/10 improves on some aspects but is just a bit too long and replaces the old issues with slightly different ones.
Between these two different versions is a good 7/10 2 and a half to 3 hour movie somewhere.
WOW! This is just SOO much better than the 2017 Whedon version.
This is basically a completely different movie. And best of all - no freaky weird CGI mouth/chin shots of Cavill.
It really is quite amazing how much the editing can make or break a movie. This version has a much richer storyline, the characters are fleshed out a lot more. And everything just makes a lot more sense.
Granted, there are a couple of times where it does slow down a bit, but that's to be expected in a 4hr movie.
How I rate:
1-3 :heart: = seriously! don't waste your time
4-6 :heart: = you may or may not enjoy this
7-8 :heart: = I expect you will like this too
9-10 :heart: = movies and TV shows I really love!
Mind blowing and I want to see happened next.
In short I want to see Jack Snyders's Justice league 2.....
This is the movie that was deserved in 2017. Zack Snyder is a genius and hit it out of the park in his original version.
When every scene is agonizingly slow (motion) of course your movie is 4 hours. Do not waste your time like I did.
[ancient lamentation music playing]
It is hard not to compare the 2021 Snyder's Cut to the 2017 release, which was generally perceived as a messy film due to its problems during production. There is definitely more coherence and structure in this version, with less plot holes and more time for the characters to breathe (not in last place because of the significantly increased -doubled- run time.) However, in many moments it is clear the movie has been edited together from incomplete and/or unfinished material. This is especially noticeable in several of the (many) CGI scenes, which look outdated and unpolished. It makes (some of) the choices made in the 2017 version more understandable, even though it does not make them any better. The hated reshoots that ended up in the 2017 version were clearly not unnecessary, just the execution was poor.
Light Spoilers ahead (marked.)
The antagonist is clearly one of the main improvements. Steppenwolf is relatively well fleshed out, and no longer a completely forgettable generic bad guy (and I thought his costume looked awesome! No idea why that was changed in the earlier version.) It remains a problem that he is just a henchman, and the big bad guy boss (Darkseid) plays no real role in the story. Darkseid appearance has not much added value because of that. It adds significantly to the antagonist motivation, but his appearance is mostly used to make way for a next movie.
We also spend more time on Cyborg and his character, which is deserving and rewarding and makes him a more interesting character to watch.
The dynamic within the team is also much more balanced, with less awkward forced moments.
That being said, the main focus clearly never was the characters themselves, which is not unusual for a blockbuster (superhero) movie. There are scenes that feel out of place because of sudden shifts of tone and focus. Also, several events, plot lines and choices or alternatives are never explored or given a pay off.
There are several setups that are never paid off, especially with the introduction of additional characters. This pads the runtime unnecessarily and often makes the movie feel like a set up for later movies (which will probably never see the light of day.) Secondly, their are so many endings, it could compete with LOTR's Return of The King for most endings in a major film release, and unlike RotK, it is not to finish up those aforementioned loose ends, but rather to set up new plots.
Of course this has to be mentioned. The choice for 4:3 ratio has been done for creative reasons, and it has already caused division among the viewers. Their are many shots where the 4:3 ratio is exceptionally impressive, and it is justifies the choice for that aspect ratio. However, in just as many scenes the lack of widescreen makes the experience underwhelming. This is (logically) mostly the case with wideshots and the big battles. When the ever present but lacking CGI meets those wideshot angles, this negative effect is even more increased, and it made me feel like watching an episode of Friends or other old television show.
In conclusion, the chosen aspect ratio has both its merits and demerits. The difference between 4:3 and Widescreen is not impossible to overcome to use in 1 film, but it is significant which makes it tricky to naturally switch between them. The choice to stay dedicated to an unchanging Ratio is logical.
This is an average but fun epic superhero movie that is enjoyable to watch if you have the time and patience for it. The movie is split into several distinct sections, with headers, so it is possible to watch it as a mini-series. It does not rise to the heights of Infinity War, but it also does not steep as low as Suicide Squad.
I'm disappointed that only 2 hours of the movie was slow motion!
Instantly better than the Whedon version “and Batman v Superman” as soon as it starts. Since Whedon just brought his usual goofy one liners and tried too hard to make the DC universe less dark.
Batman v Superman still comes off as an unfocused mess story wise. This movie at least makes some of the scenes just thrown in make sense.
The film also feels more like an epic than the original version. That just wanted to be the Avengers but with DC heroes.
Snyder’s one big problem to me though is that he loves slow motion way too much. You can also say this version sets up backstories for almost 2 hrs. Which will bother some but I enjoyed all the new scenes throughout this movie. As a comic fan. After I saw the 2017 version I kept forgetting the Justice League even got a movie honestly. This movie is so much more memorable and deserves a sequel.
Having fought for this film since 2017, organising and running the majority of major events in that time, I was afforded the great honour and privilege of getting an early access pass for this film.
What can I say about "The Snyder Cut"? Overall I thoroughly enjoyed it. While it does not reach the heights of it's predecessors BvS and MoS on an emotional or philosophical level, it is a film packed with "oh my God moments" and action sequences that set the standard for all future action movies.
The film is a crowd pleaser. It will be the best received film in Zack Snyder's filmography by critics and the general audience. I do wonder if it will also be for Zack Snyder's fans.
In this movie the villains outshine the heroes by far. Steppenwolf is vicious and menacing, but it is Darkseid (or more accurately his presence) that dominates this movie. Everything is in service of him. With so many heroes it is a challenge giving them a chance to shine. Batman and Superman are particularly short changed, and there was a higher expectation regarding feeling the absence of Superman following the events of BvS. Others such as the Flash and Cyborg saw their roles vastly improved in this cut of the film.
As far as differences with the theatrical cut go, there are plenty. Purely by nature of being 4 hours vs the 1hr 50minute theatrical cut. There are also differences with respect to the nature of characters, specifically Wonder Woman. However, I must admit, a large number of edits to existing scenes by Joss Whedon in the theatrical cut served absolutely no purpose. The changes made being for no apparent reason to serve any narrative or plot in Whedon's story (eg the Cornfield scene and the discussion between Aquaman and Mera). Other edited scenes were wildly different, primarily the history lesson where the unified peoples of Earth held the forces of Apokolips at bay.
So after 3 years the question is "Was it all worth it?"
That this film exists at all is a victory for artistic freedom, and that it is so much better than the version from 2017 defacto means that it was worth it. But will this film hold a place in my heart beside Man of Steel and Batman v Superman? Time will tell. Zack Snyder films are famous for standing the test of time and improving with every viewing. I hope this one does too.
This is the movie that all the fans of Snyder's work have been waiting for. The one I was waiting for back in 2017, the feeling of watching this finally coming to life is amazing.
I don’t really remember the original that much so it was like a new film so was it an improvement, i scream yes! Thank you Zack! The soundtrack, action, effects and picture all were fantastic! It definitely deserve a place in my dc collection but it didn’t need that ending because it was cheesy and without it i’d of scored it a nine.
Bring on a sequel if what I’ve read up is true XD
Let's give this guy another 4 hours to tell us why he cant direct a movie, cuz this one wasnt enough...
Slightly better than theatrical cut but with 2 hour more runtime? No. This is the type of movie that only die hard fans will enjoy. Not for me.
when did DC start making good jokes?
I thoroughly enjoyed it, every character had a depth. love it.
This is a totally NEW movie not a remake!!!
Way Way Way better than the Joss Whedon trash
I actually enjoyed this so much and everything made sense for the prior movies
Loved the new direction Zack took with the script and the new twists he introduced!!
The visual effects were amazing as well especially Flash!
loved that he gave each character its time and showcased their potential
Loved the setup he created for potential sequels
The overall feel of the film was great, it didn't feel rushed, perhaps slow at some scenes but not rushed at all
well done Mr. Snyder you totally deserved that second chance
I actually... LOVED it! Honestly, I wasn't there when everyone was asking for the #SnyderCut, but seeing this?! What an amazing movie this was... I feel so full of energy and cheerful emotions after all these epic scenes and coherent plot. Extraordinary job, thank you.
A must watch movie.
This is the real justice league movie
This puts the previous release to shame...total shambles the first movie was. This Snyder Cut really brought life to the characters, meaning to the story being told. We were robbed with that first Justice League movie.
That mix of Gotham, superheroes, Atlantis, Greek mythology, aliens and god knows what else just doesn’t work for me. 4 hours simply means more nonsense. Overkill.
Definitely better than the Whedon's cut, it takes its sweet time in building the new characters, but it does pay off (Victor was especially well done for the limited time they had). It also felt like watching an entire new movie, with all the added scenes, the cut cringe and the different dialogues.
I loved Bruce's dreams of Injustice and I so much wish we could see Snyder's version of this story. I also wish we could see a real sequel for this Snyder trilogy, since there were many open doors for sequels (like the Green Lantern ring lost during the fight with Darkseid, Lois' pregnancy, the quest for the anti-life and Martian Manhunter as part of the Justice League), but with Henry Cavill out of the scene as Superman (and Ben Affleck getting older and older) I doubt we'll ever get one.
Still, I hope for a Kingdom Come film with the main cast and directed by Snyder.
This is the Metal version :metal_tone2: of Joss Whedon's 2017 soda-pop Justice League. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
It's not great, but when you compare it to the original cut, it's a huge improvement. The Snyder Cut turns a bad movie into an alright movie.
I have not watched the 2017 Justice League.
For a four hour movie it doesn’t feel like 4 hours, the story is well set up and told. Plenty of time for the backstory of the new characters as well as what the villains backstory and reasoning is.
I will at some point watch the 2017 version but I am in no rush.
One of the greatest superhero movies ever. Way better then the 2017 version. Doesn't even feel that long a movie.
WOW! That was epic! 4 hours, 2 minutes and 8 seconds. It’s too bad they felt a need to release a shorter version of it in 2017. I know… shorter attention spans… I’m not saying it’s not a marathon, but in a time when we binge whole seasons of a TV show in a day, why not an epic movies (just factor in pee breaks, a meal, and some walk around time to get the feeling back in the sleeping parts of your anatomy). The two productions couldn’t be more different from one another. The first cut was lighter but I was impressed enough to give the 2017 version an 8.5 out of 10 (great improvement on the previous DC releases, to that point, with the exception of the initial WONDER WOMAN, which I gave a solid 10 and have rewatches it innumerable times). This Zack Snyder cut is noble, grand and worthy of it’s length. So much story is told and the characters are given such depth. The cast is spot on (except I still wince a bit at Ezra Miller’s Flash, although this version gives him more gravitas, He always came off as a little unhinged to me.). The CGI is awesome and the special effects are grand. I highly recommend it. I give this film a 10 (everything I wanted, and more) out of 10. [Epic Super Hero Saga]
Okay, this is indeed, much better. The action is improved, it’s tonally consistent, and the script finally has a proper progression and character arcs for each member of the Justice League. I already liked the characters in Justice League, but they were so much better in this. Particularly Flash and Cyborg now are more fleshed out and nuanced, and much more relevant and important to the plot. I think both of them are my favorite characters in the entire movie which I really wouldn’t have said in the theatrical cut.
The obvious highlight is also Flash running back in time, this was a great moment and ultimately sold the movie to me. The climax is very important in the overall package, and this movie delivered with a bang.
There are a lot of tiny things too which got added, like the JL members interacting with Alfred, which I just enjoyed and added to me vibing with the team in general, which was nice and greatly contributed to my enjoyment.
I also am glad that pretty much everything annoying or problematic to me in the Whedon Cut was removed, showing that pretty much everything inappropriate was added later by Whedon.
One complaint I have is that I feel the style was too much “Snyder” – I think he’s limiting himself with his style by making everything so saturated. And the slow-motion. I think he does good stuff as well, but there are also downsides to his filmmaking.
I also think the alternative future Bruce dreamed of could’ve been incorporated better. And it makes me sad that we’ll never see the sequel. Overall, though, the best DCEU movie for me so far.
This was a film that I think had way to much hype to ever reach its full potential. There is really only so much you can do with reshoots of a movie that was so underwhelming and forgettable that the first time I viewed it was on a plane back from Italy. ZSJL may be an improvement upon the Theatrical cut of Joss Wheaton's film but its is no masterpiece. This film is four hours long and it is a struggle to get through. While a lot of the film has been improved like things such as Cyborgs and The Flashes character arks feel more meaningful and powerful. Things like the overall plot and the main villains still fall short of anything of extreme interest. Leaving an overhyped film with a lot left to be desired.
It’s fine but very overrated. Way way way to much slowmo. Also for being the fastest man on earth you’d think Barry would know how to run right and not flop his arms everywhere.
Never have I ever enjoyed a full 4 hours movie in one sitting. I just love it. The dark vibes, the character development (well, The Flash had the most superficial story and lines here IMO) are waay much better than the theatrical cut.
An absolute masterpiece! I have always loved the style of Zack Snyder‘s movies and his version of Justice League is so much better as the Whedon one from 2017 and should from now on be the only version of this film. Basically you can‘t even compare those two because the Snyder cut is a completely different movie and you can really see that the director had a vision for the movie. I really hope that Warner change their mind and let Snyder make Part Two because it just would be perfect to see this story continued.
Definitely better than the previous "short" Justice League movie. But it's nothing to be too thrilled about.
The heroes' roles seem really random, like they need to show each hero fighting, so it's like put in there, but many times it felt like it didn't belong. The constant jumping of the story between the various characters is not at all subtle. It's like one scene of flash, and then suddenly a completely non related scene of cyborg.
The introduction of characters like Iris, Martian Manhunter, Wilson, was cool.
The injustice storyline introduction seems very vague. I think a very short clip leading to that would have been better, the entire Mera & Joker scene felt very forced.
I agree with some of the comments. Gal Gadot does not suit the role, she can't act well for the role. Amber Heard's role is cringey mostly. Ben Affleck doesn't make Batman the loveable character he's supposed to be. A good recast would be nice.
This is the worst shit i ever fastforwarding in years it was so bad 1/10 xD.
I mean the story and the fight are just crap and 4:3 ok why not xD
Even movies with 2/10 from 2021 with 1million budget are 10x better :)
The worse thing in the movie is the Snyder esthetic and some scenes from Flash. But is much better than BvS and Justice League (2017). I think this movie is overrated, but is not terrible.
I've never had any faith with Justice League. Not with Whedon's take, not even with Snyder's. Yet I had a slight bit of hope when Snyder's cut was announced, and waited, and... it's still as bad as I expected.
The film's biggest fault is not Whedon making it bad (though he did make it so dumb like MCU films). The fault is the premise. Bringing up a team of superhero with extraordinary power and backstory, packed in one short film. On one hand, Snyder wanted to explore the characters as unique individuals with their own stories and dilemmas. On the other hand, he also wanted to make a film about superhero team up. That didn't work.
There's no team building at all in this film regardless of Snyder's attempts to explore the other side of each hero's persona (Cyborg's flaws, Aquaman's aspiration, etc). The team just... worked, somehow. It suffers from the same "get your shit done and team up somehow" Star Wars Rogue One suffered from (to take Disney's mediocre film). There's no ups and downs within the team - in a way Whedon tried to do that but still failed. The team just worked, somehow.
The worst offender here is Superman's comeback. We get to see his mystical return, his detachment with the groups of people who woke him up, his enlightenment... and that's it. Superman arrived as some sort of "instant problem solver" in the climactic battle. I know he is supposed to be strong, mighty, the force of all goodness, but it was handled rather poorly, almost in a cartoonish fashion. In a way, Batman v Superman managed to handle this much better by contrasting Superman's feat with Batman's ordinary humanness. In Justice League, there's just not enough kick to make Superman's return feels impactful. Snyder only managed to do this with slow mo, cinematic shots, and all that visual stuff. And narrated with clips of dialogues from Superman's dads. The storytelling is bad.
Speaking of slow mo, boy, Snyder does love it. There are loads and loads of slow mo in this film that it almost feels like a drag. It started to feel like a pastiche instead of a remarkable style to use in decisive moments. Snyder did slow mo well in Man of Steel, Watchmen, and 300. What happened here? He uses slow mo on everything, especially in almost every Wonder Woman action scene (alongside the "ancient lamentation music", as the sub puts it).
This slow mo drag is combined with another drag: every possible scenes cut from Whedon's cut, including irrelevant unimportant stuff like the Amazon Queen checking her back every few seconds, and a warden walking towards Luthor's cell. Who the hell thinks having 10 more seconds of the warden walking adds something significant to the film? It almost feels like the film is composed of mish-mash of Snyder's unadulterated, unedited, raw footage of the film. I still have to praise the fine editing when it worked - like the scenes in Superman vs the crew, that worked wonders compared to Whedon's cut. However most of the time it's just dragging and a waste of time.
The action is less than satisfying. I'm not sure why, but Snyder can't really make a team battle. The intro with Amazon fighting Steppenwolf is weak. Steppenwolf does look strong there, but the Amazons don't seem to hesitate a lot and doesn't show a force of strength. Likewise, Justice League vs Steppenwolf (or vs Parademons) in the climax is mostly for spectacle. It's not thrilling at all - no stakes, no choreography, just explosions. This is very different from Snyder's fantastical fights on Man of Steel or his stylish fight in Watchmen - I don't know what happened.
Music directing in the film is mediocre. I've mentioned how almost every Wonder Woman's action scenes are accompanied by the "ancient lamentation music". Sadly it extends to other scenes too. It's good when it worked, e.g. Superman resurrection scene (always a treat to listen to Zimmer's orchestration). But many are handled badly: Cyborg's flashback, Silas' farewell, Flash's speedforce, etc. The supposedly monumental moments end up dull. My biggest disappointment is in the ending scene, where Silas told us a monologue. What a horrible music directing, accompanied with a repetitive monologue (Whedon did better with the monologue). Pretty bland and boring. They should have used Zimmer's composition ("Flight", as used in Man of Steel). A fanmade video did it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCoLegk_C1M
The mediocre music directing accompanies the inconsistent tone of the film. Snyder wanted to make it dark, we get that. The color is good. The grim menace that is Steppenwolf is fine. The pessimistic outlook of the characters is decent. But then in two sequences where the League bands together, you get this rock and roll "yeehaw" vibes from Aqua Man, Cyborg, and The Flash. This is especially bad in the climax, where the superheroes treat it like a big party. The world is (supposedly) at stake, but the heroes are enjoying this violent galore of crushing down the enemy? It feels like something from a cartoon or campy superhero films in the early 2000s, which is very inconsistent with the supposedly gloomy vibe the film tried to build in the beginning.
Last, while trying so hard to differentiate itself from MCU films, it repeats the same mistake as MCU. Justice League tries too hard to create a movieverse instead of a single, coherent film that stands on its own.
The biggest setup tease here is Darkseid. Darkseid everywhere, from early Steppenwolf's attack to the end where the portal opens. Yet he is saved for future films through his supposedly menacing, "Prepare an armada". Darkseid is the reason why Steppenwolf did what he did, I get that, but his scenes are completely irrelevant to the story that most of them can be eliminated. He serves no purpose other than a movieverse tease. And speaking of tease, how references abound in this film. Iris West scene, check (and that nonsensical scene wastes A LOT OF TIME with those useless slow mo). Batman's Knightmare, check (also a waste of time though still forgivable). Green Lantern, the old gods, Martian Manhunter, check. Those are all setups for future movies. What are the relevance to this story of Earth heroes banding up together? Nothing.
A friend said that this film is on par with Ultron: an empty shell of movieverse setups. Which I agree completely.
As the culmination of Snyder's "gods on earth" trilogy, Justice League is pretty disappointing after the good start of Man of Steel. Well, at least we know now that Whedon is only a small part of the problem.
Visually I found it great. Dramatically it seemed poor. So the bad guys needed three boxes to destroy the world. Without them they and their army are trash against six super powerful people.
Much better than that one launched before!
The duration made me hesitant, but I just had to check this film out.
It took me 3 days to finish cause of my work schedule, but I don't regret a second viewing it.
Obviously, there was more character build-up with the film duration, and the film took its time exploring each character's side of the story. I would have to say; some long scenes could have been shortened, such as the team discussion scenes.
I may not be a crazy DC fan; however, I did also think to myself, "why weren't some of these scenes in the theatrical version" or "This literally has a similar duration to LOTR so that it could have been possible".
I find it unfortunate that it's only available on HBO Max or NEON for me here in NZ. If this came out on DVD, I would have definitely convinced my family to see this.
Overall, better team build-up, character exploration and raw emotion. The first difference I've noticed between JL theatrical version and Synder's cut was Steppenwolf's CGI. I definitely preferred Synder's cut. In comparison, Snyder's colour palette was a bit dim at times.
A perfect cure for a previously wounded movie - 9/10. #ThankYouSnyder
jfc give this man an editor who can say "No".
It's frankly amazing that he did shot most of the storyline focused scenes first time around I assume a good DCU superhero movie after two attempts... and buried it in a whole hour, if not more, of unnecessary slow-mo music videos and stupid or creepy for no reason scenes.
And for the love of god keep Whedon away from it... Who the hell cuts character arc that a core part of a main storyline?!
I just don't get it. He could have so easily cut stupid equation thing and nodes to future movies away if that was the real point of reshoots. Why rearrange so much of the story bits, assuming of course, that the plot was already completed by than.
P.s. Well, I hope someone on the internet will eventually make another cut of this and finally saves the movie for good.And add the race scene between Flash and Superman
“Evil does not sleep.”
There is so much going on and it is very apparent that this is the superior version. Cyborg and Flash get much more of a back story which makes it a much more cohesive story, which made me happy. I am curious how much Zack himself would’ve cut out since it would’ve not been more than 3 hours in theaters, but I am glad he got his total vision out there and there is something poetic about leaving people wanting more and not doing more comic book movies for Warner Bros.
Justice Leauge (2017) feels like a bad trailer for a good movie. I like how this movie takes a darker tone when compared to other superhero films. The runtime helped the characters to be established especially, Cyborg and also superman. In the 2017 version, I felt like they brought out superman from the grave just to fight (though it is the whole purpose) whereas here the focus on Lois helped to connect with the story of superman. Overall this is a well-made movie which I expect to the beginning of a better version of DCEU.
5/10, boring, horrible visuals, did I mention boring? Overhyped garbage.
So much better than the first run through. Wish this is what was put out in 2017. I only wish it was filmed in full screen and not the box look.
All in all, Zak Snyder needs to be in charge of filming all future DCEU films as the only good one up to this point was Aquaman (with exemptions to the Dark Night...best ever). For years Marvel has put out top notch films one after the other. Would be nice to see DC movies get on the same page
What a tiring watch.
I don't know what bothered me more: the generic dialogue lines, the endless slow mo scenes or the camera slowly closing in on the characters when they talked. Got the impression that the director tried a little too hard to make it cult cinema and that was not it for me.
It's better than the 2017 version, definitely, but I'm not sure how much merit this deserves on its own without drawing comparisons.
Justice is done to the Justice League.
If you make a bad film longer it turns out it doesn’t make it better.
Zack Snyder's Justice League begins from where the battle between Doomsday and Supes, Bats, and WW ended. As Luthor says at the end of BvS, 'The bells have been rung.' The death of Superman is essentially seen as a free pass to take over Earth by any extraterritorial beings looking to do so. One such being, Steppenwolf, steps forward and sets about the task of conquering Earth for Darkseid (there's a whole backstory here that would constitute major spoilers).
As a counter to this threat, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince set about gathering some gifted individuals (resurrecting Superman along the way). While the story may seem pretty much similar to the now, rather unfairly, dubbed 'Josstice League', it is in the execution of the plot that the 'Snyder Cut' stands apart.
We see a very well fleshed out backstory for Victor Stone a.k.a Cyborg. Flash, while still a bit underdeveloped, has his moments in the sun as we see him unleash his full potential. And, while Batman may not have much to do in the movie, Bruce Wayne does. We see Bruce getting a lot of screen time, allowing Affleck to shine through. Even though Wonder Woman and Aquaman have additional scenes, their impact on the movie remains minimal; though they do have a much larger say in the outcome of the final fight. Superman, as is expected, does not have a lot to do in this movie. But, the one encouraging thing is that the character remains consistent in his portrayal from previous movies in DCEU, as opposed to the original JL, where he seemed a completely different character.
The score of the movie is quite great, and keeps you engaged in the story. The VFX and cinematography falters noticeably at times, something we do not really expect in a Zack Snyder movie. However, the fight sequences are still quite brilliant; something we do usually expect in a Zack Snyder movie.
While the movie runtime is 4 hours, the actual story is about 3 hours 40 minutes. The last 10-15 minutes are more of Snyder shoving his vision of DCEU under WB execs’ face. And it is these last 10-15 minutes that made me really sad about the fact that this might be the last that we see of Snyder in DC (unless of course extraordinary amount of money comes into play here). Snyder paints a picture that is intriguing and darker than, quite possibly, any other superhero movie has offered yet (with the exception of Watchmen). However, given how the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement got us this movie, it is ot unfathomable to maintain a modicum of hope.
So, is the famed 'Snyder Cut' better than the 2017 Justice League? Extraordinarily so. However, it still has some flaws in it, which keep it from being a perfect movie. Some of those can, of course, be attributed to the fact that Snyder was forced to convert what was supposed to be a trilogy into a single 4-hour film. Some, however, crop up from a lack of coherent editing.
However, this should not deter you from watching what is unquestionably a breath of fresh air (after BvS) in an era where comic book movies are reduced to grand CGI battles and, sometimes, silly quips.
Zack Snyder's Justice League begins from where the battle between Doomsday and Supes, Bats, and WW ended. As Luthor says at the end of BvS, 'The bells have been rung.' The death of Superman is essentially seen as a free pass to take over Earth by any extraterritorial beings looking to do so. One such being, Steppenwolf, steps forward and sets about the task of conquering Earth for Darkseid (there's a whole backstory here that would constitute major spoilers).
As a counter to this threat, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince set about gathering some gifted individuals (resurrecting Superman along the way). While the story may seem pretty much similar to the now, rather unfairly, dubbed 'Josstice League', it is in the execution of the plot that the 'Snyder Cut' stands apart.
We see a very well fleshed out backstory for Victor Stone a.k.a Cyborg. Flash, while still a bit underdeveloped, has his moments in the sun as we see him unleash his full potential. And, while Batman may not have much to do in the movie, Bruce Wayne does. We see Bruce getting a lot of screen time, allowing Affleck to shine through. Even though Wonder Woman and Aquaman have additional scenes, their impact on the movie remains minimal; though they do have a much larger say in the outcome of the final fight. Superman, as is expected, does not have a lot to do in this movie. But, the one encouraging thing is that the character remains consistent in his portrayal from previous movies in DCEU, as opposed to the original JL, where he seemed a completely different character.
The score of the movie is quite great, and keeps you engaged in the story. The VFX and cinematography falters noticeably at times, something we do not really expect in a Zack Snyder movie. However, the fight sequences are still quite brilliant; something we do usually expect in a Zack Snyder movie.
While the movie runtime is 4 hours, the actual story is about 3 hours 40 minutes. The last 10-15 minutes are more of Snyder shoving his vision of DCEU under WB execs’ face. And it is these last 10-15 minutes that made me really sad about the fact that this might be the last that we see of Snyder in DC (unless of course extraordinary amount of money comes into play here). Snyder paints a picture that is intriguing and darker than, quite possibly, any other superhero movie has offered yet (with the exception of Watchmen). However, given how the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement got us this movie, it is ot unfathomable to maintain a modicum of hope.
So, is the famed 'Snyder Cut' better than the 2017 Justice League? Extraordinarily so. However, it still has some flaws in it, which keep it from being a perfect movie. Some of those can, of course, be attributed to the fact that Snyder was forced to convert what was supposed to be a trilogy into a single 4-hour film. Some, however, crop up from a lack of coherent editing.
However, this should not deter you from watching what is unquestionably a breath of fresh air (after BvS) in an era where comic book movies are reduced to grand CGI battles and, sometimes, silly quips.
Leagues better than the original cut, there's no reason to ever watch the Joss Whedon cut again. There are a whole lot of improvements; the story, the music, the characters (Flash, Superman, Steppenwolf, Cyborg are all so much better) and so on. There's even some kind of redemption for Jared Leto's Joker. Goes on for a bit too long, but it's a 8/10 easily.
Honestly I understand people think that this is better better then theatrical release version of Justice League, and that maybe true. However, just because something is better than something else does not make it good. I believe this that this movie will turn fans who are already on the fence about the whole DCU further away.
It's a masterpiece. If Warner wants to make a lot of money for the next 10 years, they just need to continue the work that daddy made here. This universe deserves Injustice: Gods among us.
Let's support Zaddy's work and try to #RestoreTheSnyderverse
It doesn't take much to make better of the piece of shit that was the older version of this movie. So I'm inclined to say I've enjoyed my time with it much more than I originally did.
I feel like this didn't really need to be 4 hours long other than having to make one movie to encapsulate everything that needed to be shown to make the story enjoyable.
The only thing that brings down this movie heavily is the fan base, of which you have examples in the other comments. Deplorable.
If you have 4 hours to waste and want to watch a really useless version of Justice League that's done with a bit more creativity and passion then watch this movie. Otherwise you've lost nothing other than your time, just like for the original one.
No. Just no. We want new movies not this. Boring af
I liked it more than the one released in theaters, more time to develop things, it has not been long
It was good. I just don't like the aspect ratio.
I think Zack Snyder just resurrected the DCEU. Make him the “Kevin Feige” of DCEU and we will have some great movies and story’s years to come.
For Autumn. :cry:
A pure masterpiece ! Thanks Snyder
Overhyped.
The anticipation for this meant it was never going to meet expectations and the reviews on its release are overly gratuitous. Greatest film ever, Snyder is genius, a masterpiece.
None of this is true. It is better than the theatrical release, an interesting study in editing, but still a flawed piece of film making.
No miracles here folks. It's not a good film.
That is all.
This is the real Justice League movie, It's a must watch
Not perfect but it's the fix we deserve
It is the version to watch - ignore the theatrical release now. But is it worth watching as a film...?
It is an nteresting improvement overall - that is flawed - but ultimately I found it worth the effort.
There is one HUGE flaw - the stupid decision to present it in IMAX aspect ratio. It detracts hugely from the average-person's viewing experience. Just give us a standard wide-screen. Show an IMAX when the world opens back up and make a second lump of cash, if you wish to...
Ignoring that, I found a few issues with the pacing. Lots of slow-motion and musical interludes brought the pace down.
On the plus side, there was plenty. A lot more character development. Extra plot. Better storyline development. More cohesive and less sleight.
I cannot stand Henry Cavill for Superman. His casting is one of the worst for a large movie franchise of recent years... On the other hand, Ezra and Ray get much more screen time and they are well worth it.
I'm not sure how much of this is new footage and how much was available to Joss Wheldon... But what he put together is a huge disservice to the available footage. The effort spent here is entirely justified.
Final thoughts - the CG is crap in far too many scenes. And a 30 minute fight sequence in a 4-hour epic is unnecessary, some time could have been saved there in aid of the viewer.
7.5/10
A solid 1 point rise on the theatrical version.
This was a much better version than the previous one - it had more content on the individuals (cyborg in particular) and the action sequences with with added bits was so much better
No spoilers ! Got to watch it earlier this week as a critic. Definitely way better than the first. we get to see a bit more character development and origin. There's a new character revealed that wasn't in the first movie. I'd rate this a 7/10
This is a fascinating watch, it’s such a great insight into filmmaking.
I’d advise anyone to watch this and the theatrical cut back to back, you’ll learn so much about the process, rearranging scenes, editing, etc.
Pros:
- Compared to BvS: the script is much more structured, coherent, and simple. Also, this film doesn’t try to have any political depth or social commentary, which is a plus because that requires a filmmaker with subtlety, and Snyder is no such filmmaker. Finally, it doesn’t make any major mistakes like the Martha scene or Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor.
- Compared to the theatrical cut: it does a much better job at fleshing out the characters. This particularly helps for Cyborg and Steppenwolf. It kinda turns Cyborg into the coolest character of the DCEU. Also, the editing of the action scenes is much better.
- I love that it has a big, epic tone. The storytelling feels like it takes a lot of inspiration from Lord of the Rings.
- Some great character moments, particularly with Alfred (I also liked Flash running back in time, the killing of Steppenwolf and Aquaman’s scene with Vulko ). There are actually quite a few laughs in this, more so than you’d expect from a Snyder film.
- The score is good (ignoring the overplayed WW theme).
Cons:
- It looks kinda hideous. There is an artificial and fake feeling to most of the scenes. The way it’s directed and shot can only be described as cheap and a visual overkill.
- Casting. Some of the main actors aren’t competent enough to star in a film like this. As long as they keep Momoa, Gadot and Miller, these films will always feel like discount Avengers films.
- It kinda drags, there are some scenes that could’ve been cut or shortened in order to improve the pacing. This is one of the things the theatrical cut does way better, even if it’s much more bland as a cut.
- The Flash still runs and acts like a moron. It particularly stands out in this cut because his Looney Tunes-esque antics are cringeworthy and don’t fit here, and his character still feels very barebones.
- Like BvS, the setting up of future films feels very clunky and forced.
- Though nowhere near as bad as in BvS, I once again noticed some painfully overwritten and forced dialogue.
In short:
Is it better than the theatrical cut, or BvS? Yes.
Is it a good movie? Not by any metric.
3.5/10
Its slow and waaaaay to dark colour wise.
Although I did enjoy the whole 4 hours ( with breaks of course ) and with respect to Snyder's vision of color reproduction and decision to go for the 1.33:1 aspect ratio " adding more visual content " .. I found it stupid because the whole world watched it on TV with black bars or cropped to fit the full screen and thus having little content invisible. I went for the cropped in an attempt to enjoy the full screen experience for an hour or so, then switched to the intended 1.33:1 aspect and swallowed my pride for the remaining duration of the movie.
I enjoy cliff hangers a lot... They leave something to the mind to wonder about rather than brining the story to an end.
Additional characters reveal was a plus especially one specific beloved member of the league... Which got me excited and looking forward to future installments of the movie.
I don't usually have a lot to say about films I enjoyed.... So that's that.
Snyder’s cut just obliterates the 2017 version. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. To the Snyders', thank you both for pushing through and sharing with your fans what clearly became a project so very close to your hearts — so much so that you knew that there was no other choice but to see it through. I hope that in completing and releasing this gem, you both find some sort of peace in the process.
Its a lot better than the utter shambles that was the original release.
Good points - better colour, more drama, less comedy, some plot holes fixed, more character depth, darkseid, superman cgi fixed, black suit superman, joker cameo, green lantern cameo,
Bad points - irritating music during any Wonder Woman scene, over use of cgi, Esra still makes Barry act like Sheldon from TBBT :rage: Secret identities commonly known and found out too easily!
It’s way too long, but it makes so much more sense than the original. And I like it a lot because of it. I’m still convinced that the Snyder-verse could’ve been amazing if they introduced each character with their own movie and built up to the team-up properly. It still has his flaws, but for me, this proves that we missed out on a great universe. This is the true version of this movie from now on.
This movie is quite long, but it needs to be in order to carry the amount of depth it has. Every character has a purpose and no one feels left out unlike the original.
I've doubted a lot on the rating I would grant to this version of Justice League. It would be a 8,5 - 8,75. First of all, I've enjoyed the film a lot, the problem is that it's too little too late.
The movie is much more well built. The story, much more interesting. This Steppenwolf is a best villain than the previous version of it. The Flash does useful things and it is not only a clown.
The problems of this movie, in my humble opinion are:
1. As said, too late. If that would have been delivered on 2017 maybe we would be seeing a different DCEU with more continuity. I have the felling everything was broken after that failed Justice League.
2. The flash and cyborg introductions are cool but they would have been better as stand alone movies. Probably from those 4h that could have been reduced and grant a better introduction for them.
3. I get the point of Snyder wanting to have a 4:3 ratio for artistic reasons but... not sure if the 16:9 would have been better.
4. It opens some new untold stories like the last nightmare that Bruce has or why the Martian Manhunter appears there... and I fear that it will never answered.
The good thing is that this movie is much better than rpevious one. I gave a 6 to that one, so this was deserving much more. I have enjoyed a lot.
There really is no comparison to Joss Whedon's version. Zack Snyder's version was epic. It had heart; it told a tale; it brought disparate pieces together as a whole; it tied everything together nicely. Whedon seemed to slap everything together believing, since he was making the first Justice League film, how could it go wrong? Well, he just found out.
What really struck me about this film, aside from how truly fantastic a film it was, was that the vast majority of this had already been filmed, and Whedon trashed it all. Aside from being a womanizing, misogynistic sexist (at the very least), he also has a gigantic ego. He took what would have been a great film that he simply could've put a bow on, disregarded it, and pushed out something that absolutely paled in comparison. The sheer arrogance it took to do that was just astounding.
Now that this film is out, and it seems to have gone over really well, I'm hoping that it keeps the cast together, along w/ Zach Snyder and his vision for this storyline. It'd be a shame for Warner Bros. to go back to Whedon's storyline.
Before Watching
At 4 hours long it could be a damn 4 part mini series lol. Taking bets on how many times I fall asleep during this movie.
2 maybe 3 decent actors (I’m not impressed with who they picked as Batman, Wonder Woman, flash... yeah Gal Gadot is an Amazon, but she is not Wonder Woman), probably an obnoxious amount of unneeded CGI and other special effects, a director who is almost on par with Michael bay these days, in my mind at least (this is not a good thing.) What could possibly go wrong...
I wish Wonder Woman was Egyptian, could have a much better back story.
After Watching
I just lost four hours of my life for trash.
Absolutely fantastic. Better than any Marvel movie I've seen. There, I said it. Snyders take on DC is so cool and different to all of the popcorn superhero movies out there nowadays. Shame we won't get to see the end of the story #restorethesynderverse
I NEVER leave reviews, BUT.... What an AMAZING version of this movie!! After hearing that he dedicated this movie to his daughter that passed away, watching it after learning that, the whole movie felt so different. To me, this is the ONLY Justice League Movie that matters. Hands down, the best. The 2017 version was a 4, this was an 11!!
Another round and this time with "Justice is Gray" edition which is also awesome.
Really incredible experience in black and white.
Justice is gray edition is also awesome.
Really incredible experience in black and white.
Bruce Wayne - "I Don't Care How Many Demons He's Fought In How Many Hells. He's Never Fought Us. Not Us United."
batman talks to the justice league Cropped (1)
The original Justice League had a pretty cheesy scene involving the members discussing their plans where Batman came across as something of a goof who was pushed around by Wonder Woman and mocked by the rest. Zack Snyder’s Justice League made him absolutely sure of himself.
This was evident when he rallied the team together at a time when they didn’t know the kind of threat that Steppenwolf and Darkseid posed. As far as inspiration goes, there could be no better words than these, as Batman promised they were all strong enough to face even the likes of someone who had destroyed 100,000 worlds.
Wayyyy better than the original cut. Much more fleshed out and definitely worth the watch. Maybe they can salvage this universe after all.
if you've seen the Theatrical version , this immediately fixes massive plot holes, like the first 5 minutes lays a load of story that your brain repairs the rest of that previous mess had.
it's a big story, with plenty of developments, and really makes you wanna see how this Snyderverse will end.
the annoying bits -
There must be 40minutes of slow motion.
Wonder woman's narration over the earth heroes fighting darkseid has distinct additional recordings to fix timeline issues. " Amazonians, : before they hid away' Aqua people, before they retired away from dryland..
That fucking choir's 'ohhh ahhh' every single time Wonder woman appears on screen. - feels so much like a copy and paste effort of scoring by the composer (he did do it in about 4 weeks) it's almost as annoying as the amount of times "Motherbox" is uttered. (Giggity)
Why does Cyborg's dad stay in the Lazer room with the box? no need for that. stay outside and press the button.
How the fuck do Darksieds bitches not know that earth has the special diagram/ symbol thing that He put there a few thousand years ago?
it's the only world he was fought off from.. that shit would be remembered, "Earth, those fuckers kicked me off, they're bad asses"
The usual 'don't they have the power to just do ...?'
Where's Aquaman getting his clothes from?-
Were the women at the icy village singing for him because he never gets his cock out, or because Bruce ruined the vibe, as they usually get to ride him?
Why do the Amazonians get dressed up in special clothes, and wait until night to send the warning that the earth's being attacked?
*Joss' infamous Diana Buttshot has been cropped out.
BUT, there's a jaw droppingly stunning shot of her in a white dress.
That was amazing. Would have preferred to see it at a real IMAX but I sat 0.7m from my 65" OLED in pitch black and it kinda fooled me into thinking it was. Spectacular! Longest film I've ever seen
My mum even messaged me to say how impressive the visuals were. Highly unusual for her to even like comic book movies let alone one that's 4 hours!
Not perfect but makes the 2017 movies looks like pure trash. Really evolved and sharped so many details. 4h worth the watch!
It was decent if you watch it in 1 hour sessions otherwise you're bound to fall asleep. Ezra Miller is irritating as fuck and I couldn't help but notice they didn't divulge much about his story but basically gave you a whole history o Cyborg. Oh and Jonn Jonzz has just been sitting around not doing shit this whole time.
What a ride..
Great storytelling and so much depth to the characters
it would be an absolute shame if we don't get more HBO Max Snyder DC universe movie/show. Such a better movie going experience, Josh should feel absolutely ashamed for what he did to this movie
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overlong and overhyped, this could have trimmed a lot of the filler and been much shorter as a result. is it better than the 2017 Justice League? yes, but that's not saying much. Flash is still an annoying clown, Cyborg is still a piece of wood and Superman is still an emotionless android. Steppenwolf's redesign looks badass, and he is possibly the best thing about this movie, but 1 great character can't save this movie. despite what people claim, this is not a different movie, it may have new scenes or old scenes that are shot differently, but it's still the same movie with the same core story