Wow, you could just have left the Episode out.
One of the worst season closers I have ever seen...
All they basically said was: Oh, men bad, testosterone bad, lets waste 30 minutes on that...
This neither closed open threads nor did it really set up for a season 2.
What a train-wreck. This series was definitely not for me. I’m not sure who the targeted demographic was though.
That K.E.V.I.N part was brilliant and on point
This whole finale made the entire season pointless. I don’t get it
Well, props for trying something. That something is ass though.
I'd bet you anything if Deadpool did the same meta moment, dudebros would praise it.
why is everyone hating on this finale???? i think this is the most fun watching experience since wandavision era
wow they are running out of ideas to how to use the whole thirty minutes. The 4th wall break would have been funny if it wasn't the only thing that was happening all the time.
Jen breaking 4th wall like it's nothing
What the hell was what?? Jesus that was terrible!
The most stupid thing I have watched in a long time. They just scrubbed whole episode for the 4th wall bs and made even more bs ending to the thing.
I don’t get where are all the hatred coming from! I agree it’s kinda boring most episodes of the show, but this finale is awesome, solely for the 4th wall breaking! It’s like marvel fans trolling Kevin instead of Jen trolling K.E.V.I.N. The VFX diss (with background wakanda drum rolling), is hilarious.
I mean, plotline wise, it’s a boring finale, but who cares.
Inspired by the lawyer shows like Ally Mcbeal, with a lighthearted tone, She Hulk is full comedy and not taking itself to serious all the time, is Marvel venting escape, where they can laugh about themselves and the universe Kevin designed and created.
Based on a comic where breaking the fourth wall - most like deadpool - is part of the character powers, this show kept playing it smart every singe episode to finally deliver the joke in this episode.
Very innovative, fun and comic like, The break of the fourth wall in this episodes let us know that not only marvel knows about the critics we’ve saying for a few years now, and is working on them.
Jen Walters is a fun character with a nice roaster of side characters and even Kevin saying she will not go the big screen, it would be great to see her in the theaters and not only on TV.
Nice ending for a pretty good first season that cares not to rush things like other marvel shows.
Don't miss that post credits scene!
This was such a fun episode, I have really loved this show and we got just the ending we needed.
Terrible, sad and not clever. Why did they ruin Daredevil? He would have never been seen in daylight. He seems so wimpy now.
(almost) perfect! the series should be like this completely, this is exactly what I expected from the series proposal. I hope they follow this path in season 2 (and longer episodes please)
Wow they WENT for it with this finale and I’m so happy they did. The extent of that 4th wall break was not expected but so original and creative that it was so fun. I love how the MCU was able to literally criticize themselves in their own show with Jen talking about marvel finales and then take this finale in a different direction. And the Kevin bit was very clever and funny. This was honestly probably the funniest episode for me as I laughed out loud several times. And I love how the trolls online in real life are literally the villains in the show lmao. The writers knew how a subset of people would hate on the show for stupid reasons so it just used them as it’s villain which is so smart and hilarious but also makes it feel more real and relatable. Also Pug trying to blend in with Intelligencia was really funny and I love his character. And of course that ending scene got me so hype and I can’t wait for WWH. I’ve had my issues with the show but this finale was perfectly in line with the themes and style of the show and elevated the series for me. One of the best MCU Disney+ finales and might be the best.
You wanted something different in the MCU, here you have it BOOOM :boom:
Loved it
Super good fun. Wasn't expecting the 4th wall break to go that far! Loved it.
This show has been a hilarious journey. Tat is perfect casting :hearts:
There's breaking the fourth wall, there's obliterating the fourth wall.
Then there's this episode.
I'm glad I stuck through the episodes I didn't like in the end.
[7.0/10] I’m really conflicted about this finale. The first ten minutes or so are the same, cruddy approach and vibe that have plagued the season to this point. Tech Bro Todd as the Big Bad is predictable and unimaginative. Nikki using Jen’s law school twerk video to bait Inteligensia scans as an invasion of privacy that never gets addressed, and both she and Pug are pretty superfluous here. The fact that Blonsky is not only complicit in the anti-She-Hulk brigade but actively hosting them is an unfortunate step backward for the character that feels unmotivated.
If that weren’t enough, the episode blazes past the most interesting part of this -- what is the fallout from Jen hulking out in a very public moment of anger and vulnerability? There’s no time to sit with this, because the episode just cuts its way past through anything interesting in favor of corny jokes about her mom exercising in her room when she has to move back home. I know I’ve said this again and again, but it bears repeating -- so many of the players here are total cartoon characters, Jen’s family especially. If you want the audience to feel for Jen beyond the basic outline of the situation, you have to treat it at least a little seriously, populate the story with characters who feel like they actually exist and aren’t just joke machines. The tone here is all over the place, and to Jen’s own point, the plotting is pretty dumb and messy.
And yet, from the moment that Jen herself acknowledges all of this, and goes into the real world to change it, I kind of love it. I wondered why the MCU producers would bring in Jessica Gao, the writer for one of the best episodes of Rick and Morty, from a show that didn’t seem to have much in common with a superheroic legal comedy. This finale answers that question, as having Jen step into reality, challenge the writers’ room (including Gao herself) over the direction of the episode and eventually confront the head of the MCU is the sort of pure meta-comedy that Gao proved herself more than adept with on R&M, and it’s the best part of the episode and maybe the season.
She-Hulk managed to anticipate its own backlash (in the proud tradition of Ghostbusters: Answer the Call) with Inteligensia, and here, it manages to anticipate the gripes of crusty critics like me, tired of superhero story climaxes devolving into the usual fireworks and fisticuffs rather than focusing on the core and psychology of the characters at play. Jen grousing about the overuse of certain tropes like blood theft, the unnecessary and convenient addition of too many characters and plots to the finale, and most importantly the fact that the true stakes here are Jen finding a balance between being Jen and She-Hulk all had me nodding my head along with the critique.
Honestly, I love the twist that “Kevin” is not, as we all anticipated, Kevin Feige, the Marvel impresario widely-considered the architect of Marvel Studios’ success, but rather an robotic A.I. who concocts the MCU’s stories and triumphs. It plays on arguments of sameyness and formula from the studio’s output, and allows Jen to wield those criticisms from inside the house with a lot of well-considered self-deprecation on Marvel Studios’ part. The exchanges are funny and out there, in a good way, and manage to meld audience complaints with Jen’s own grievances about how her story should end, apart from the usual way of doing things in these sorts of stories. The fourth-wall breaking, trope-tweaking mode of the finale is in keeping with the spirit of the character and the demonstrated talents of the showrunner.
My only problem is that “Whose Show Is This?” is content to lampshade these problems rather than really fix them. Sure, the episode ends with Jen deciding to challenge Tech Bro Todd in court rather than crush him, which is a nice beat, and the closing scene suggests she’s resolved to fight injustice both inside and outside the courtroom, which is solid. But preventing Todd from turning into a Hulk doesn’t change the fact that he’s a cheesy yawn of an antagonist. Having Blonsky atone for his actions (before being extricated by Wong) doesn’t change that adding him back into the bad guy squad, even temporarily, plays as lazy. And as much as I like the She-Hulk/Daredevil vibe, just depositing Matt Murdock back onto the scene for no real reason comes off as cheap, without the charm to make it work.
It’s frustrating, because “Whose Show Is This” acknowledges not only the problems of the series (or some of them anyway), but also some of the recurring problems of the MCU, but is more or less content to have pointed them out rather than making a real attempt to solve them. I’m here for the metahumor (including the homage to the 1970s Hulk series), and for the character study of Jen having to resolve these two equal but sometimes opposing parts of herself, but the series rarely works as either a comedy or a drama. It often comes off as confused and jumbled as Jen is for most of the season.
Overall, this season is a low-point for the MCU, if only because there’s so many fascinating ideas here that suffer in execution. Most of the characters are stock or too broad, and most of the storylines are eye-rolls. But Jen’s situation, the way she tried to figure out how to be She-Hulk and Jen at the same time, and how to balance her normal life with her superheroic one, are all strong ideas that the show intermittently tackles well. It is, at a minimum, enough to build intrigue and investment in She-Hulk and what she’s going through. But the show can’t muster either the comedy or the realism to consistently bring those ideas to life in a compelling way. What I appreciate, though, is that in the finale in particular, She-Hulk is taking some big swings, and in the end, I probably appreciate a noble failure of ambition more than a blandly competent success.
Fuck Marvel, this show is its own thing!
loved every moment of it..
if only the rest of the show could be as good as these last two episodes..
Everytime she broke the 4th-wall was pure cringe (as in when she spoke directly to the audience), sorry. Though that Kevin bit was funny and unexpected. Looking forward to seeing Hulk (and his son) in his own movie again!! 7/10. Also make sure not to miss the post-credit scene!
If this episode doesn't teach these "critics" what this show's "cringe" is really about; maybe they should just move on to watch non "universal" content; maybe S.O.M.E.T.H.I.N.G. E.L.S.E. for the umpteenth time!
All the butthurt commenters must be afraid Jen's lawsuit will damage them lmao
The ending was kind of amusing and I'm glad they went that way rather than the stupid superpowered villain plotline, but the episode (and the entire show) just felt like a huge waste of time.
How kind of them to include the online trolls that have been flooding the comment sections all over internet with bitter, repulsive and misogynist takes on this show!
I haven’t been the greatest fan of Jen breaking the fourth wall in every episode, but I can certainly overlook that part if it was building up for this wholesome finale!
deadpool was one of the only comics i got into long-term as a teenager so i live for every fourth wall break the mcu gives me tbh. also tatiana maslany and charlie cox have such delightful chemistry i had no idea i'd be so smitten with a relationship after less than an hour of content
Ok that was cool but it’s kind of cheating
I know the character is all about 4th wall breaking, but I still think they overdid it in this show. The jokes were really hit or miss and sometimes really awkward. The finale has some fun ideas but not all of them stick the landing. I loved the retro She-Hul intro even it's just fanservice. Jen wanting to confront Kevin about her show had me really excited until they made him into an A.I. In fact that scene didn't work for me at all. Jen doesn't like the ending of her show, but after talking to K.E.V.I.N. they skip the scene completely. For me that felt super anticlimactic and left me with this really unsatisfied feeling.
I still like Tatiana Maslany as She-Hulk and I think she just fell victim to really bad writing. I hope to see her return in future Marvel projects and get some sort of redemption by working with a better writer.
Delightfully absurd AND true to the comics? The fanboys will not be pleased but this was a masterpiece.
My two main takeaways here: (1) The writers channel a lot of Mel Brooks at the end of this one and (2) Nikki once again steals every scene that she's in. I'm LONG overdue to make that second point and I'm glad that I finally got around to it.
This was a perfect season finale for this show. The way they went all in on the fourth wall breaking, and literally broke through Disney+, and had her storm the studio was amazing.
It amazes me some people hate on this series. To this point Disney’s Marvel TV shows have tried to take stories that need a full TV season arc then crammed it into a 6 hour movie. As a result, most of the shows have ended up feeling like rushed, bloated messes. Nothing they’ve done before matches the quality of the best Netflix Marvel shows which understood episodic TV needs a different philosophy.
She Hulk doesn’t have that problem. This show is easily my favorite of Disney productions with the last two episodes closing on a such a high note that I hope it gets a second season. The 4th wall breaks were perfection.
"When will we see the X-Men?" :smile:
she Hulk is brilliant. if u don't like it you don't understand very much about comics or fun
Um, what lol? Eventually into it, but the swerve of the second half plays out like a self-aware-overload meta fever dream. I did like the touch of designing K.E.V.I.N. robot so that it has a baseball-cap-like visor though
That was peculiar, fun, but peculiar.
The reference to the 70’s series was brilliant. Though the breaking the 4th stuff sucks you out of the episodes and sucks the fun out of it.
I haven’t minded the fourth-wall breaking that’s been happening, I’ve actually kinda been enjoying it, but this level of it is detrimental to the show and all the MCU storylines attached to it.
I hope there is no Season 2. Let Tatiana do work that is worthy of her. This was just a big mess.
I nearly died in July, but this hurt more.
So the main vilains of the whole show is a group of completely unrealistic and over the top mysogynistic mens...
The 4th wall was just bad and unfunny
Even daredevil couldn't save this episode. He is completely different from the show. Hopefully Marvel doesn't destroy daredevil any further. Better not bring him back if they plan to completely change him. Their's a reason his show was successful
The targeted audience for this show is really narrow and seems to be teen girls who hate mens.
It's really sad because this show could have been great! The actors are good and they had access to many cameo/actors for the Marvel universe.
Titania was so underused, like I still don’t know anything about her, let alone her origin story I just want to know why she crashed that day in court.
Loved it! So unexpected, so left out of field!
Tatiana Maslany is a gem.
The head writer is the Lottery First Tuesday commercial guy.
Wasn't into the meta-K.E.V.I.N thing (even though I understand all the meta behind it) but liked it a lot by the end. The X-Men line and delivery got me. However that aside, the finale is essentially non-existent and overall the show as a whole is a mess however. Fun, I really enjoyed watching it but a mess. And this continues a trend for me in 2022 with Marvel, where I'm in no rush to watch these programs. Also Skaar looks terrible.
ehh I didn't like the Meta-Meta-Meta ending. It was interesting sure. Different from what Marvel does normal most definitely.
:sigh: They're still going on like it's a legal comedy. It's not. It's the farthest thing from a legal comedy. It's a comedy about a lawyer which is a different thing. Seinfeld was a stand-up comedian and his show wasn't a Standup show. Fraiser was a psychologist and no one would call it a psychiatric-comedy. They're both just straight up comedies that featured professions every once in a while. Anger Management (I don't recommend it) was more a psychiatric-comedy than Fraiser. The legal talk here is awful when it is present. it is funny to complain about the scene being shot at night and they actually flip it to day but all the CGI is gone. Kinda undercuts the real complaints people have. That aside in that scene a lot of things were brought up that WERE valid. Those parts were effective. A brilliant takedown of some of the ways the MCU has functioned.
Daredevil was a delight though.
The show was fine, b ut imo not good. Not because I hate she-hulk or whatever slogan people say but because Marvel is turning media production into a mechanical exercise. They took a lot of swings with this one in tone but the rushed nature of the production kinda messed it up. Missy Elliot is probably the best song choice they've done all season though. Fairly earned too.
Tatiana Maslany is an incredible actress. I wasn't sure how to feel about her in a straight up comedy show. I felt originally it was a waste of her talent but in the end it doesn't matter. She could bomb her next three TV shows and I'd still be a fan b ecause that's how good she was in Orphan Black. I wouldn't say this was her best performance but it wasn't a flop for her. She clearly got to flex some different acting muscles and they looked good. I still think the She-Hulk is a bit too svelte and the CGI never really got better but there's always next season.
Plotwise they left a lot on the table not just in terms of actual plot but in terms of character. Of all the MCU shows I'll say I was most invested in the She-Hulk characters. Over WandaVision (which had a stellar principle cast but the side characters I didn't care about), over Falcon and Winter Soldier which was so boring I literally can't remember who was in it except Freckles and the old dude, over Loki which was fun but kinda empty characterwise, over Ms Marvel which has my favorite production design for the show. But the writing was paint by numbers, Moon Knight was such waste of hype and Hawkeye did much better being completely unhyped. Both of them didn't have secondary characters I wanted to see more of. She-Hulk has a nice clear cast of characters that I think could have had a lot of fun story lines if they had expanded the show more.
I liked the show overall but this episode was bad. Not the actors, or the writing or the action. THE STORY IN THIS EPISODE WAS STUPID. There is breaking the 4th wall and there is making the show pointless. They screwed this up, oh boy. Showing up at the writers table as she hulk, changing the story….c’mon man! Oh boy.. Very bad way to end a first season of a new show..
IT'S OVER! IT'S FINALLY OVER! What a piece of crap everything about this show was. Horrible dialogue, horrible plot, horrible "humour", horrible CGI and horrible forth wall breaks. Sadly even the acting from the otherwise lovely Tatiana Maslany was horrible. This show will scar me for years to come and has actually put me off from seeing upcoming MCU movies.
This episode was such a roller coaster; it went from really bad to really good to extremely sad. The ending leaves more questions than it answers, leaving me asking...what happened? I can't complain too much without giving away spoilers, so I will mention that there was a pretty creative twist in this episode that I applaud the MCU for even attempting, even if it ended up being a pretty gross vehicle for some pretty cheap ends.
Super fun episode. Totally loved it. A nice break from the usual punch punch big villain fight MCU type finale.
On a whole, I didn't hate this episode, but we were so SO close to having pay-offs for everything the show set up, and the writers were like, "This show is almost enjoyable? The arcs are almost being resolved in a cohesive way?! S#*T!! Can't have that!!"
Doesn't land every hit, but the ones it does are so gloriously hysterical and ambitious, and I was rolling with glee at where they went. If anything, I do think the narrative climax suffers a little in the wake of how strong the satire soars, but it didn't leave me disappointed. This was a blast of a season, a blast of a take on the character, and I absolutely can't wait to see where it goes from here.
The credits confirm wong would be in the post credits lol
I loved this so much. Definitely hoping the mentions of season 2 weren't just for the 4th wall break.
Anticlimactic as Fuuuuck !!!
Let's skip the ending so we can talk to a fake CGI robot.
The writers group supose to write what if kevin do the script.
Let's film CGI Kevin cuz CGI Shehulk cost too much ???
They all turn into hulk's with inibitters ???
She clear of charge cuz the obvious hoax was an obvious hoax reveled ???
Bad guys arrested cuz he made a website ???
This ending was a JOKE (literally and not literally) !!!
The K.E.V.I.N. part was unique!
the fourth wall breaking was creative and cheeky, ill give it that. the show knows its painfully awful, the MCU has been repetitive and follows the same formula. fight scenes were alright i guess.
the primary villains of this show - josh & todd and intelligencia. yep, just an Internet group - that's the only big bad of this show. its so bad that the show knows who to point the fingers at, and still wants us to feel bad for jen. yeah.. no thanks
edit: i also realized josh never shows up after that, LOL.
Shit climax. Totally disappointed. That was just lame in a nutshell
Oh wow, this sucked. The ending itself, well, it's fine. But the constant fourth wall breaks are not funny, Intelligencia is a bunch of incels as you would expect, and made up for an embarrassing villain, what the hell is this even. They also made an elaborate fourth wall break just to trash on their own movies, which is to be fair, yes, Marvel movies tend to have similar endings. But that they actually don't have the guts to stand by their own works and trash them just for a "flashy" gag, wow.
fuck everyone this show is GOOD!
A bit of a mess in its conclusion, with a hard lean into the meta.
Clever finale but not good. Maybe if they’d gone with less fan service the ending wouldn’t feel so forced. At the end of the last episode I thought we’d get some real drama about dealing with her problems but instead they punted the whole plot for gags and it kind of made everything up to that point feel pointless. Oh well, at least they tried.
This show is a disaster! She-Hulk tries to pull a Deadpool trope by breaking the 4th Wall...This never worked as shown in this episode! Let's hope there'll never be a season 2.
I love that breaking the 4th wall here. So crazy. F**** Kevin!
Sure it was something different but what’s the point of a TV show if it throws plot out the window in favour of cheesy 4th wall breaks when the writers can’t come up with anything creative?
1/10
Weak AF
No..No and No again
So that was a monumental cluster Fcuk
and a complete waste of my time.
WHAT THE ACTUAL....
utter Garbage
and complete
Nonsense.
I've covered how bad this show/episode
is on YouTube and that's me done,
my time has
been wasted enough and
I've said all I need to.
Thee Marvel Guy
Out.
did we really need the fourth wall break? ik deadpool and all that but that whole scene took up like 10 minutes of this 35 minute episode
Well, I wasn't expecting that Blazing Saddles bit at the end.
Season finale. That intro tribute to the incredible Hulk series from the 70s. They say that in the comics he does these fourth wall things, it seemed like WTF to me
Kinda good to have a pay off to the whole fourth wall breaking. This was fun and for some reason I liked Jen Walters and She-Hulk as a character. But I think it really didn't explore that intensively and vision-directed as this finale would like you to believe. But rarely a Marvel series does.
I think K.E.V.I.N. has a hat.
I honestly can't believe how much praise this episode is getting. I love when marvel tries new things, I've liked almost everything recent from them even if it was more of a back to basics type thing, I even enjoyed some episodes of this show... But this??? This was absolutely awful, insulting really. I can't even consider any of this canon because, like, how? It's not because she hulk is a woman, it's not because it followed another formula, it's because it was BAD and it showed signs of how bad it was from early on. I was fine with the 4th wall breaks until now but man fuck, this just made me think the entire story, from iron man till this moment, was all one giant joke in this studio's eyes and I'm not sure I want to see any more of it if that's where all this has been leading. Props to the main actress here, she did a great job with what she was given, but seriously fire these writers or let us know now that none of this will ever be for non children ever again.
Loved this show! Really hope there’s another season.
There isn't much going on in this finale, feels as if there won't be another season or something :thinking:
You have almost nothing to look forward to IMO, no cliffhanger..
A season finale that was going in the direction of really good before doing a U-turn and jumping off a cliff.
I actually really liked the big 4th wall break where she broke out of the show to go and complain to Kevin about how stupid and samey to every other marvel thing the ending was. That bit was actually very clever, self aware and well done.
But then after she complains about the ending and gets another one, the one that she replaced the original "stupid" ending with is just straight up bad. It basically just skips over the actual ending as if it still happened but they didn't want to show it, and then ends with "see you in court" and her having sex.
They could have done the ending of the episode so, so much better than just nullifying the entire story up to this point and calling it a day.
The best thing about this episode was to learn that Jennifer Walters can now smash this entire season and improve it's IMDB rating with some 4th wall breaking
The last episode was the hope to some action, but no the useless tv ever. It is MARVEL not Suits.
I loved the part where the Trix rabbit strangled She Hulk and Andor right after she hulk broke the 4th wall and finished out that drab Andor seasons by delivering Andors sister to him. Nice tie ins. Comics and Star Wars are for kids you silly Mouse. God I am glad my sub is finally ending.
Why does Disney keep pumping out garbage and calling it Marvel this is one of the worst ones yet I think I'll stop and stick to the movies
She didn’t just break the 4th wall she obliterated it
A series that had a lot of fun sticking to or playing with sitcom tropes found a way to really surprise in its finale! Top tier of the Marvel Studios tv shows, stands along WandaVision and Ms Marvel and best of the class.
Feels like they should have done more with Skaar instead of just POOF, here he is lol. Nevermind the whole Planet Hulk thing yada yada. And Skaar would be maybe less then 10 years old lol??? I'm ok with that but I think in the comics Skaar is older. Fun.
Wtf did I just watch? This is shameful. They have completely destroyed the MCU as we knew and loved it. I won't even begin with what they've done to Daredevil...
Meh, I guess this was alright, it just wasn't working for me.
I am usually all for the fourth wall break but however extreme it was in this case it just wasn't as clever as it thought it was. It's like a person who doesn't know she isn't funny but thinks pretty highly of her humour. It was also clear that they wouldn't actually include Kevin Feige so to me that twist was pretty expectable. But the actual problem why it didn't really work for me, is that all this selfawareness and selfirony was clearly directed at hard-core MCU fans who know all these backgrounds and I don't know what, which I am not.
The actual ending then wasn't much of an ending it simply took things for granted and that clishee family BBQ was all but interesting.
Tatiana Maslany deserves so much more.
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Just stupid. I miss real Marvel.