lowkey, doctor who vibes. the vibes really remind me of like. those early days of the doctor who revival and the apocalyptic episodes.
the bonding time we get with Sylvie this ep was really great, and to see the differences and similarities between the two as well.
Despite being quite good with excellent chemistry. This episode ended more abruptly than the others. I expected Owen Wilson to pop up or something.
It was 52 minutes but felt shorter than that to me for some reason.
Probably my fav ep so far. I love some twin bonding time :sparkling_heart:
Chaotic bisexual "twins" from different universes is exactly the kind of time shenanigans I never knew I needed in my life.
Am I the only one who thought they were gonna make Loki fall in love with himself or in this case herself? I mean that's one way of showing his narcissistic personality.
GOD, chaotic bisexual variant loki twins is my vibe now.
Amazed that this episode has been received so well... It was a complete change of tone, and not in a good way. Felt like a cheap episode of Doctor Who.
This episode is alright. Not as strong as the others, but it's still fun. The action scenes are cool, and Loki and Sylvia's banter is fun to watch. Although I enjoyed them venturing down this planet , some scenes seem either too easy or like a waste of time. They could pay stuff off later, but I'm unsure.
Anyway, I'm still invested, but I'm not in as much suspense as I was in the previous two episodes. Wondering "who is this variant Loki?" and "where did they go?" is a lot more intriguing than "how will they survive?!" Like, I don't believe they'll die, or that they'll use character instead of plot convenience to get them out. We'll see.
SCORE: 7/10
[7.0/10] You need episodes like “Lamentis” in a television show. Establishing Sylvie’s dynamic with our Loki is important, especially if she’s to be a major character going forward. She has a plan to overthrow the Timekeepers. The work that’s frustrated the TVA has apparently been years in the making. And her background is different enough that she resents even being called “Loki.” Taking time to set up who she is, what she wants, and how she related to the Loki we know and love is a deft choice on the part of the show.
But at the same time, though, I don’t really like their dynamic. Or rather, it’s fine, but not necessarily enough to fill an entire episode of television. You can sense Loki going for a sort of screwball banter between Loki and Sylvie, and normally I appreciate that. (Hello Gilmore Girls fans!) But it only clicks intermittently here. The sense of two gods of mischief each trying to betray one another, find various sneaky ways to get what they want, and debate what should be shared with one another should be compelling. Sometimes it is! Much of the time, though, their back-and-forth is cliché and trite.
Don’t get me started on the debates about what “love is.” “Lamentis” winks at the audience with the pair of Lokis trading poetry until Sylvie calls our Loki out for the banality of his metaphor. Still, the dialogue doesn’t sing like it needs to in order to support an episode that’s founded on almost nothing but.
The other element undergirding “Lamentis” is action, and there, I’m of two minds. On the one hand, I’m always impressed with a solid oner. The choreography of Loki and Sylvie racing through an alien enclave to try to get to an ark ship is cool. While the episode doesn’t quite reach Children of Men-like proportions (which seems to be a reference point, and while there’s a few hidden cuts, I admire the chutzpah of showing the impending destruction of the titular planet in one long take, helping to convey the urgency and chaos of the whole thing.
There’s two problems with it though. 1. Loki and Sylvie don’t really do anything. Sure, things happen around them, and they throw a few punches here and there. But the uncut sequence mainly centers on the duo rushing around. While the camera moves are still tricky to pull off regardless, the two of them doing little beyond running around the set diminishes the impact of making their attempt one big sequence.
That said, you can see the potential for Sylvie and Loki as a pairing. Who would interest Loki more than a version of him/herself. Their conversions carry an almost flirty vibe, and the mutual propensity for betrayal creates a series of double-bluff situations where they’re impressed and envious of one another, while knowing that each would stab the other in the bank if the moment called for it.
Still, our Loki shows a little empathy, choosing to sneak aboard the train rather than follow Sylvie’s plan and risk getting anyone killed. The episode hints at backstory in dialogue that may have differentiated Sylvie and Loki beyond their separate magical capabilities. I’m still not hugely into their dynamic, which comes off less endearing and vital than it needs to. But you can still see the potential there, even if the moment-to-moment writing isn’t exactly fantastic.
We also get a few key tidbits. We learn that Sylvie’s mind-control powers have their limits, especially when dealing with “strong minds”. We learn that they don’t work on Loki himself, because his mind in particular seems too strong for her self-taught magic. ANd most of all, we learn that the employees of the TVA (an organization that Stlvie refers to as fascist) were not created by the Timekeepers, but rather are variants like them who have somehow been enlisted by the agency, and might not even know it. (This lends credence to the fan theory that Peggy Carter is a TVA agent.)
On the whole, it’s just not that fun of a ride, though. I’m actually a sucker for dialogue-heavy, sparkling conversation-based episodes. Throw in two characters who have much inc common but also reason not to trust one another and consider themselves different? So much the better. But the plotting in “Lamentis” is perfunctory and, more to the point, the conversations between our two protagonists here can’t quite carry the hour with wit and engrossing banter. I appreciate the swing, but this is more of a double than a home run.
Loki as a Doctor Who episode with a bigger budget. Not bad.
An entire episode spent looking for a battery charger. On a completely uninteresting planet. Populated with humans. Not humanoids. Just plain humans. No discussion of why fem-Loki is doing the shit she's doing. They're literally in the exact same position when the episode started and when it ended except now they know the TVA authority goons aren't necessarily created which, I felt, was something they already hinted at some time ago. The "single shot" scene was garbage with so much overtly obvious CGI and actors reacting to things clearly not visible
This episode was entirely a waste of time. Which is a bad thing when there's only six of them
This episode doesn't seem to be connected to the greater story at all, but is more like a sidestory where we learn more about Sylvie. Considering there are only 6 episodes in this season, I thought it would be all about the main story, all the time.
That being said, I think it's probably my favourite episode so far! The chemistry between the Lokis is fun, we get some good character moments from both of them, and the (quite isolated) stakes are ramped up just about as high as they can get. The ending leaves a lot to be desired, considering it leaves us without a resolution (or even a cliffhanger), but I guess that kind of makes me wonder what will happen to our dynamic duo in the next episode.
Episode 1 & 2 awesome..
Sort Disney but episode 3 bored rigid. I may risk one more but if anything like episode 3 then I’m out!
"A bit of both." I'm SCREAMING. :sob::two_hearts:
I dont know why i put this episode a 6 cause its not that good really. First and second one were really good but this was just so meh
BISEXUAL LOKI TWINS BISEXUAL LOKI TWINS
The graphics are just incredible
This episode was overall better than the last two, a bit more consistent, though I feel like Loki’s powers are completely inconsistent now that he can finally use them. Sometimes he can do something, other times he can’t do something. It all feels a bit iffy, and overall he seems so underpowered (in the show so far in general) which irks me, because that doesn’t seem like the Loki we’ve come to know in the movies. But I’m curious to see how this will continue.
“Where do you have it hidden??”
“In my heart”
The kind of sass I came here for.
Also how he opens the door and lets her in first.
Some good developments here, definitely appreciate them confirming Loki as bi. But parts of it felt slow or fillery.
Ok now, I love the pacing of the show. Now we have time to know more about Sylvie and she's so charming. I sense a very tragic story for her and what an arc for Loki so far.
"Lamentis" is a fitting title - not only representing the planet of the episode, but also bringing to light how our title character, or at this point title characters, lament their entire situation. And thus begins a refreshingly self contained episode of MCU goodness that also manages to be one of the most visually striking and impressively directed episodes of their entire oeuvre up until this point. It's bleeding in cool science fiction ideas, fun action beats, and a climatic one take that ranks as one of my favourite MCU moments in quite awhile with a hell of a cliffhanger.
But the strength of this episode is all in characterization. The show is quickly demonstrating how different both variants of Loki actually are, with "Sylvie" being more of an all in, confident warrior and the Loki we used to being, well, Loki. It's a striking contrast that also works as part of the show's theme of identity (why else do you think this was the episode they reveal Loki's bisexuality, which by the way is a touchstone moment for LGBTQ rep in mainstream media), and showcasing just how one's upbringing makes you a completely different person. So far this show continues to surprise and impress.
The episode was shit. All the Disney plus shows are. They were supposed to be better than agents of shield. Bigger budget doesn't assure better content. Dissatisfied.
I must be one of the few who gets nothing out of this show. I think it's boring, unfunny, I don't like Loki (either one) and quite frankly I don't like the whole concept of the TVA.
But, hey, it's allright. Not everything is for everyone.
Disney+ saw I was tired of those bottle episodes of Mobious and Loki chatting non stop about the same stuff over and over again, so they gave me half a bottle episode of Loki and Loka in a train talking about love... :/
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the characters sitting in a room talking about deep meaningful stuff, but 80% of this show has been Loki having talks with Mobious, and Loki sitting, maybe Tom has knee problems and can't stand for a long time. And it's like guys hurry, we have 6 episodes, do something.
But apart from that I think this was the best episode so far, it gave me star wars vibes and that was good.
That twist about the TVA agents actually being variants that got their mind wiped clean and are working against their will is so interesting! but I don't know how they are gonna solve that in 3 episodes, but I'm in!
Still frustrating. There's a lot of excess to be trimmed. how many shots of them walking across the landscape do we need to hammer in the point that they're walking. The world destroying action sequence which keeps pausing rather than building up tension. I feel that feeling of when you're reading an overly long book and you start skimming super fast to see how the plot develops
Everything's fine up to this point in the series, the only thing I question is the fact that the alien races in this show are human-like, there are no colored humanoids like in Guardians of the Galaxy, or even in Thor Ragnarok.
This time the interactions between the two Variants was a lot more interesting. So Loki like to basically fall for himself.
Nothing much else in the episode though. The running around meteors was way over the top, specially as it just conveniently happens only when and where the plot needs it.
The TVA is lying to its employees. Well, not surprising from a huge secret organization that intends to dictate what the whole history of the universes is supposed to be.
Why are the soldiers even fighting after the destruction has already begun?
8.5/10 - Absolutely lovely. I feel like Tom Hiddleston should definitely get some award for his great performance. I also loved the Cyberpunk flair.
Just a small question, because it confused me: Sylvie mentions that “of all the apocalypses saved on that TemPad, this is the worst!” and then says that “no one makes it off here!” so why were they both surprised when the shuttle blew up?!
Loved the dynamic and shenanigans this ep. Could have taken or left Loki before this show. Too much back and forth good and bad but it's given me a better appreciation for sure.
And I'd be remiss not to mention how much I enjoyed the casualness of the bisexuality reveal. That's how it's done. More Sylvie please!
Shout by JimmyVIP 2BlockedParent2021-06-23T13:53:58Z
This is the most character driven thing the mcu has put out and it’s amazing, not too much action but when there is it’s really cool. Episodes keep getting better!