just horrible :disappointed:
Echo is such a fantastic character and the actress that plays her does an excellent job. Vincent D'onofrio gives it all jist like he did on the netflix show but people writing and planning the ahow..... i don't know what they were thinking.
basically this show sums up to a Origin show of Echo that we know from the Hawkeye show (the first 3 episodes) and then they decided to reboot and give her a new origin and a new set of power (the remaining 2 episodes).
the crammed up everything on the final 2 episodes that it all looked choppy, rushed and uninteresting.
Marvel is completely lost at the moment and clearly they have no clue what they want to do or where they are going
With the recent storyline created on What If... involving Kahhori and this miniseries, I'm definitely enjoying the indigenous representation. This episode was a little emotional and powerful ending to the slow build of the other 4 episodes, and I'm really hoping we get to see more of Maya on the upcoming Daredevil series.
It was also fun to see more than a few familiar faces showing up from Reservation Dogs!
For me the finale feels like dull
It was different from typical Marvel projects and I think that's refreshing
A decent and fun Marvel show without any cringy distractions. I think they did a good job building up Echo's backstory and character. It didn't have any particular outstanding moments, but it keeps a good momentum overall. D'Onofrio shines as expected in the role of Fisk. The rest of the supporting cast doesn't have that much to work with, but is still very likeable.
Well, there's another piece of MCU content, I'll never watch again.
I know Marvel has a tendency of doing mediocre final episodes, but all of those were masterpieces compared to how awful this episode was.
So, it might be because I watched it with no expectations, but I liked it. It's nothing extraordinary, but it's not bad either. And the best part... it has few episodes.
[5.8/10] So let’s start with the thing I did like. Maya sparing Fisk’s pain, rather than ending him, surprised me. I assumed Echo would do the standard superhero/supervillain throwdown thing, that flattens all the complicated morality and character of a season into one standard bout of fisticuffs. (Hello Daredevil season 1 fans!) I appreciate how “Maya” swerves instead.
It is, at a minimum, cheap to give a character powers that allows them to nigh-magically resolve someone else’s emotional pain. But for one thing, the most interesting thing you could do for Kingpin is take away the thing that he claims “made him”. For another, there is no stronger rebuke of Fisk’s value system than for Maya to choose to help him rather than kill him, breaking the cycle rather than perpetuating it. And finally, it ties into Maya’s mother’s flashback admonition about not hurting a living thing, showing that more than Chula or Kingpin, the legacy that Maya carries on is her mother’s.
In short, it’s plain that the writing team thought out how to make a thematically resonant ending that tied into Maya’s actions. The turn was surprising, but dovetailed neatly with what the show had set up to date, which is a tricky tightrope to pull off.
The problem is that this is about all I liked from the finale. (Give or take another rendition of Samantha Crain’s “When We Remain” and the coolness of the few glimpses we get of the Chocktaw celebration.)
All of the complexity from the last episode has evaporated. Chula is pure good. Kingpin is pure evil. All of the nuance is gone. And despite the fact that there’s thankfully not much of an action-heavy climax here, they spin up a contrived excuse for Biscuits to crush the bad guys with a Monster Truck, and for Henry to take out Fisk’s head goon. I appreciate wanting to involve your secondary characters in the action, but the involvement of both of them feels so shoehorned in.
Speaking of which, holy cow Chula and Bonnie’s powers come out of nowhere and are badly deployed. Maybe I’ve seen too much, but the “I’m infused by the powers of everyone, and I’m sharing them with my comrades!” ending has been done too many times to have force for me. Buffy did it, and most notably, Captain Marvel did it. So while I get the symbolism of Maya standing in front of the spirits of her ancestors, and sharing her powers with her grandmother and best friends, in practice it comes off hackneyed and silly.
Look, this is a fantastical superhero show. I can buy magic existing in the world. But Bonnie and Chula breaking away from their attackers just looks silly visually, which makes it hard to take seriously. And on a practical evel, it’s not clear why the goons don‘t shoot them or club them or whatever else even if they have some kind of mystical strength. I don’t need realism in my superhero shows by any stretch of the imaignation, but this one doesn't pass the smell test.
Likewise, I miss the more understated version of Maya’s connection to her family and to her ancestors. I get that, despite its Better Call Saul writer bona fides, Echo is a show aimed at general audiences, and so not everything is going to be as subtle. By god, Maya’s mom showing up, magically curing her emotional pain, and giving a speech that basically just spells out the themes of the show so bluntly is painful. The hard work of Maya’s emotional journey is all but hand-waved away through a deus ex machina who, to add insult to injury, announces the central ideas of the show rather than conveying them in a more artful fashion.
In other cliches, I’ve seen the “Hero self-actualizes by putting on their costume” thing too many times to count, so that has no force either. I can appreciate the gesture of Chla busting out her old sewing machine and using it to support her granddaughter. (And it’s nice to get one last appearance from Graham Greene.) But again, all the complexity is gone. Chula is now a force for good, and all is ostensibly forgiven.
I don’tg know. This finale is a real missed opportunity. There’s some interesting ideas here and there, mostly with Maya’s choice to spare and even save her tormentor. But everything else here is so facile, hackneyed, or cheap. Echo could never really decide whether it wanted to be a prestige drama or a generic superhero show, and unfortunately, its final statement leans much more into the latter.
On the whole, Echo is fine. The poor ending takes some of the bloom off the rose, and the shortcuts to Maya’s rekindling of her relationship with her family sap how meaningful the reunion can be. But there’s a few good action scenes and quality character moments to boast as well. I can't pretend I’d be in any hurry to rewatch it, but it’s better than at least half of the Netflix Defenders seasons it’s seemingly in continuity with, which is something for a mini-series aiming to play in the same corner of the Marvel sandbox.
This should be close to the worst product Marvel could get: the script is plain bad (Echo’s objective through the series is just freaking random, the whole train scene makes no sense, most conversations are pointless… even Kingpin seems to be lost in motives and actions, like kidnapping the grandma and taking her home to change and get some makeup), the acting is bad (as in bad actors and bad characters), all white characters act stupidly for no reason, the music is unbearable… even the presentation is dull.
I get Disney wants to satisfy underrepresented ethnicities in Hollywood. But either you do it right (Black Panther, Shang Chi) or you get shit like Ms Marvel or this. They really need to take it easy with the Marvel franchise and focus on quality vs quantity, because they are close to a point of no return with its fans.
PS: I miss the Marvel’s Netflix TV shows. Even Iron Fist is a masterpiece compared to literally any Marvel Disney TV show.
I always like a happy cry, and super hero sh*t...cool!
Always a pleasure to see Dallas, too.
It had its moments. Some fight scenes were really well put and in combination with the intro, I sometimes though I was watching a Marvel/Netflix series. For my personal taste, the heavy lean into the ancestors story was a sleep pill. Vincent D'Onofrio is still kicking ass just like in Daredevil and even Hawkeye, but here it felt underutilized. I don't quite like the main actress; maybe because she is kinda new in the acting scene. The plot was weak, but since the ancestry was also a big part of it; for people who liked that, I guess it was fine. For me, it was not. The brief appearence of Daredevil was a bonus, but from the trailer and rumours one would think he was going to be more relevant in the story. But no, it was only like a minute fight in a flashback and that's it. The side characters weren't explored, developed or even interesting enough. And the ending was bullshit. Its barely a 5 for me
Does every woman marvel show going to finish with a hug instead a fighting scene (she-hulk + echo).
Not sure if that prove that women can be heroes too.
That was some straight up, "Powder," (1995) isht -- can't wait to find out how that shakes out.
https://youtu.be/aVaBT9KTI4c
Powder, Deer scene
Not bad, the action scenes are not bad, but I have powers because I'm back to not me, Kingpin, the best, the worst, the end of 1x05.
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Since Hawkeye, I have been really looking forward to this series. The Historical representation of the ChocTow people, to the representation of Sign Language. Fight scenes were good, not great. Did I enjoy this show? Yes, will I be in a hurry to watch this again? Sadly No is the answer. This show felt either rushed in parts or needed some more episodes. I hope this isn't the last we see of Maya however. Here's to hoping Daredevil: Born Again is worth the wait