It was a good Episode -Terrible for a Season finale though.
Normally the Season Finale (only counting the modern era here) puts the pieces and hints together.
This one didn't do that. There wasn't a single revelation in it.
Also it is really disapointing not having seen a single old enemy - I still have hope for the special to fix that, but it's only a small hope...
Was okay, but the Doc’s rambling and constant technobabble hit an all time annoyingly high this episode. Which they’d tone it down a bit and just do not explain every detail.
Terrible season finale...Actually this whole season was a complete waste of time.
A good episode but terrible season from start to finish. Just forgettable.
Very bad episode. Very bad season. I believe Doctor Who will go back to its good old days. These bad episodes will be left behind.
I liked the episode as an episode, but as a season finale — what a let down!
Here's the thing. BBC has money. They are legally required to collect the equivalent of $200 USD per year from every citizen of the UK. It's a TV tax. Every single household must pay it, and if you don't have a TV, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to prove it. Plus, Doctor Who has never been bigger, even when it was better. Blu-ray/DVD sales, merchandise sales, the fandom is insane right now. So what is BBC doing reducing the seasons to 10 episodes and still doing them one every other year?
The UK has a big thing for "less is more" and Sherlock and Black Mirror are perfect examples of this. Doctor Who used to be, with just a few filler episodes, but now they're all kinda filler and there are fewer of them. Black Mirror got bought by Netflix, and Apple's network we know little about is bringing back the original anthology series, Amazing Stories, likely due to the success of Black Mirror. So I'm just wondering when BBC is going to sell Doctor Who off to a network that can handle it properly. Netflix would probably love to do a dozen Doctor Who episodes every year. It would be huge for them.
the only thing I can say after watching this episode: AMAZING! omg!
The worst finale ever of the worst season ever. Doctor Who turned into a monster of a week mess, starring one woman dressed in a Forever 21 cardigan and three random strangers with zero personalities.
Remember Rose in Doomsday? Remember how Martha saved the Doctor? Remember Donna in Turn Left? Remember The Angels Take Manhattan? Face the Raven? Hell, even Bill becoming a cyberman. Remember all those emotions Doctor Who made us feel? Well, me too. This season there was nothing. Total vacuum. They can all just die for all I care.
I don't mind if the Doctor is a man, woman or a freaking honey badger. Just keep the writing good. Keep it smart. Not this sh*tfest.
I thought it was one of the better episodes this season. There was action and Tardis interaction (which I like to see). It looped back to pick back up on the episode one villain. Two out of three of the sidekicks had nice relevant storylines. And Robert Baratheon.
Isn't keeping Shaw in stasis forever worse than death? Why are they acting like infinite torture is the better option here?
This whole season has had some weird takes on morality and morals. By far the worse one was the spiders episode though, where The Doctor herself said, aloud for the whole audience to hear, that letting spiders starve to death, scared and unable to move, was better than a quick death. That's like saying you should let a dog die painfully from cancer instead of putting them down because killing a creature, no matter what, is always wrong. Like, where's the nuance? Where's the critical thinking? It's completely absent.
I would have liked Graham not killing Shaw if the alternative wasn't a million times worse. Sure, it's poetic irony for Shaw to be trapped in the prison he created, but since everyone's abandoning the planet, we know there's a very slim chance Shaw will ever be let out. It's not the same thing as a long prison sentence, since there's no chance for repentance and rehabilitation.
I liked it was the companions who defeated the villain, all on their own, while the doctor sorted out stopping the powerful plan going on, and helping convince the Uks to return to the good side.
Other than that, i don't have much to say about the episode. I wasn't going to say anything at all. It's okay. Pretty generic.
Where is the weight of events? Where is the depth?
There's too much for me to critique and comparison with the past. And i'm tired of having to keep doing it.
Season 3 for me is one of the most weakest seasons, yet it still has that thing going for it of Martha's good characterization of being a scientist and trying to help people, and we also had the relationship with her family. We got also a kind of science perspective from her throughout the season. We also had the doctor's grief and anger over losing Rose through the season, and Martha slowly falling for him, because he's so heroic and smart and handsome.
In this season we have Graham dealing with the death of Grace, which is good characterization through some of the season, but it's more relegated to moments rather than the journey or arc of a character.
And what do the other characters have? The companions and the doctor? Literally nothing.
It's literally nothing.
At the start of the season we had a bit of Yaz's insecurity which i guess is part of her characterization arc, and then it's not really addressed. We see a bit of it i guess with her family? Not really? And it wasn't brought up in the Demons of the Punjab episode, of which it should have been the main episode to bring up her character journey and add to it.
You would think Ryan's journey would intertwine with Graham's, but it doesn't really. He's seemingly not as affected by her death as Graham is, even though he's known his nan all his life while Graham has been married to her for a few years, so he may have only known her for 5 years? 10?
There just isn't much depth to Yaz or Ryan. I'm not even a fan of Yaz or Ryan's acting either. Ryan's at his best when he has scenes with Graham and have banter and deeper moments. Yaz doesn't have anything. Sometimes she has a couple moments of chemistry with the doctor or doing police protecting stuff, but that's it.
It's the character drama that is so much lacking this season to give depth and actual character to the actual characters.
To be fair, my example with the doctor in season 3 was when he already had already been through a lot in season 2, and he had a lot to reflect about and feel affected by.
In season 1 the doctor was new, but he often had moments of depth and darkness and sadness when he reflected about the time war. It gave him character, it gave him intrigue.
In season 5 the doctor was new. He had those moments too, but he also had a new zanyness we hadn't seen before, and a consistent manipulative type of behavior that made him interesting and unpredictable.
13 doesn't have this. And what does she have to reflect about and be affected by in the next season? So much happened in season 2 that later affected the doctor, and season 5 had the whole mystery about Amy, his companion, and there was River song that was entwined with his life and we learned more about her that season, which that then added on to his reflections and being affected by them as we explored River and Amy more in season 6.
The way the plot arc was done in season 1 is probably worse than this season, as it was just the words of Bad Wolf in some episodes, and that was it. That was one of the ways not to do it, but we've come a long way since then, and you should know how to do it better than you have the great way in season 5 for example in which to look at.
In season 5 with a new doctor, we were often reminded of the cracks in reality. It's an interesting sci-fi concept, and one of those cracks was actually central to the plot of the angels episode. This reminder of the story arc was actually important to the plot, and we saw actual effects from it like how it erased people from reality, or when the doctor pulled out a piece of the tardis from it. It was all very interesting and kept us intrigued as the season went along.
In this season at the beginning we have mention of a timeless child that is never mentioned again, and then we have mentions of the Stenza in two episodes before the finale, with the first episode being about a Stenza. And that's it. The rest of the season doesn't have any mention of a plot arc going on. It doesn't keep us interested in the plot arc, and in fact decreases it, and also gives us disappoint when we think about the good ways of how it was handled before like what i just described in season 5.
Look at what the companions did in some season finale's.
Season 1 - Became the most powerful being in the universe.
Season 2- Helped save the universe by holding the holding the lever open to suck in all the daleks and cybermen, at the cost of her own life.
Season 3 - Saved the universe and the doctor by helping defeat The Master. Martha travelled the world and spread word of the doctor.
Season 5 - Rory waited two thousand damn years.
Season 7 - Clara went into the doctor's time stream knowing she would die, and saved him all throughout history and thus saving the universe.
Season 11 - Ryan and Graham defeat the villain on their own (great!) while Yaz helps the doctor plug in some things.
Yaz is one of the the weak links in this finale. And i do kinda like Yaz, i like all these new companions, but they're just not that good as companion characters.
The villain in this finale pales in comparison to many previous finale villains. The character himself is developed decently, but the Stenza i feel i still don't know much about except they're kinda like warriors and hunt and have advanced technology. He is nothing compared to the Daleks or Cybermen or The Master. Even the pandorica is a more interesting idea.
And while he initially seemed menacing, he gets defeated extremely easily by Graham and Ryan. They shot his foot and that was it. This character is supposed to be from a warrior race which hunts other beings. In the episode it's made clear he's weak because of how long he's been alive, but you'd think he would be stronger in some ways and have various weapons and defenses, especially after all the ships that have come to attack him on the planet.
Then there's the confused morality at the end. Instead of killing the guy they decide to lock him in a stasis pod for all eternity. Conscious? Or unconscious? And there's also the possibility he could escape in the future. It all just feels.... Strange, a strange and anticlimactic ending for this Stenza who's been built up as the main villain of the season.
I forgot to mention the doctor. I think that's all that needs to be said.
No, i won't be that harsh. But it just doesn't feel like she's been explored much. I like 13, and i like the actress, she's doing good with what she's been given. There's a few moments that i can remember where she really shines, like the Banksy moment or the conversation with King James. And her conversation with the Uks was kinda nice. But these moments are so rare. I don't know what she really stands for. Previous doctors before Capaldi made it clear what they stood for in regards to their personality and who they were, beside all the stuff about guns and killing. Even Capaldi soon became characterized well. With 13 though i'm not really feeling that. I've talked a bit before of describing what might be under her surface, but that's also subjective because it's looking under the surface and not seeing what's above it.
The lack of episodes doesn't help the whole situation either. More companions with less episodes? What were they thinking?
Great episode, but not for a season finale. It’s true it comes full circle with the beginning of the season, but it was a small scale arc. And absolutely unrelated to prior DW lore.
At least throughout the season there was character development for the companions, which shows in this episode. And the new doctor was awesome, every single minute.
I loved this season and I think Jodie Whittaker is an awesome doctor with awesome companions.
Jodie Whittaker reminds me of the actress who played Mackenzie in Newsroom, Emily Mortimer. They sound similar, and they have an analogous vibe and look.
It was a decent episode.. just not season finale episode in my opinion. I just hope the new years special is better.. however by looking at the trailer it looks like is going to be more of the same.
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A bit more like earlier seasons of Doctor Who, but not as emotional as the season finales before that. I do not know, maybe it is just me and I might have sort of outgrown the show, but in this season it seemed to me that the series is trying to get up steam but it never actually really got to this point. The whole series looks to me like a season-long introduction which does not move past the initial stages. I hope we would really get to understand the characters more in the new season to come. I never knew I would say that but I miss Moffat's convoluted and absurd plots.
As for the episode itself, the eponymous battle turned out to be the battle for Graham's soul and his humanity.