Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022)
“Just because someone stumbles and loses their way doesn't mean they're lost forever.” - Charles Xavier
Oh boy, when I heard that Marvel had somehow convinced Sam Raimi to direct another superhero film after the Spider-Man trilogy and that this one would be scarier and more gruesome than anything else that has ever been seen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I would be lying if I said I was not thrilled about it. I was sure this film would be my favourite project in Phase 4 thus far.
So, did it live up to the expectations I had for it? To some extent
A great deal has occurred since the first Doctor Strange film in 2016. The Third Phase of the MCU concluded, which in my opinion, was the phase with the most significant level of quality and showcased the most ingenuity. It will always be a challenge to surpass. Along the way, we've lost several of our favourite heroes, and new ones are currently being fostered to take up their mantle.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) brand is no longer just another film franchise since, as a result of the release of Disney+, both their popularity and the amount of material they produce have skyrocketed.
Considering these factors, we'll better understand why certain decisions were made and how the MCU has evolved since the first Doctor Strange film.
And thus, here we are, with the second instalment of Doctor Strange. The movie begins with Doctor Strange fleeing from a fire demon in a dreamlike cosmic realm. Later, he meets America Chavez, portrayed by Xochitl Gomez but does not have a discernible personality; more on her later. Chavez also has the power to travel through the multi-verse.
Along the way, Strange navigates across several universes, comes into contact with many other Marvel characters, and engages in duels with some of them. Oh, and did I mention there is a stunning fight sequence with music and magic. (Seriously, it's excellent)
Unfortunately, around the halfway point, it becomes evident this film is more of a stepping stone to other MCU initiatives than a stand-alone impressionable film. I'd even go so far as to say it feels more like a sequel to "WandaVision" than the first Doctor Strange. Then there's the fan service; please spare us, Disney. Fans will be pleased with the many appearances, but it feels overdone now, though expected after the commercial success of Spider-Man: No Way Home.
Ultimately, the biggest issue the MCU faces currently is the sheer number of projects at once, and the writing reflects this. It feels like it's trying to lay the foundations for the next phase of his grand franchise plans while simultaneously trying to tie up loose ends from what's come before, but without the required breathing room and what made the previous phase special.
Early in "Multiverse of Madness," Strange and America travel through various universes, including one in which their bodies are comprised of paint and one where everything is 2D. I believed for a second! With Rami's ingenuity, we were finally going to get something fresh from the MCU after what seemed like a slow buildup. To my dismay, I was mistaken since this film seemed uninterested in exploiting that kind of potential. The Mouse has done something counterproductive to avoid alienating any of the average movie-goers. What irritates me even more, is that the film tries to be "strange", but it's rather ordinary. "WandaVision" and "Loki," on the other hand, were more of a risk and better as a result.
While Raimi's distinctive flair may be seen here and there, it never seems to come to fruition. The Multiverse of Madness is an adventure in that it is available for further exploration. In the middle of all this, an intelligent hire like Sam Raimi's seems like a diversion. It might have been a different story if Sam Raimi and Michael Waldron had been allowed the opportunity to develop something truly strange, one that didn't seem like it was virtually directed and written by the studio. But maybe that's where the madness is. Despite this, the film nonetheless manages to provide the blood, gore, and horror that fans of the Marvel Cinematic Universe have been yearning for in the most family-friendly manner possible.
The writing, in my opinion, is what genuinely stifles this film. As soon as I learned Michael Waldron had been hired as the primary writer, I anticipated some of the complexity and character development he brought to Loki to emerge in MOM. Unfortunately, it didn't quite live up to expectations. Waldron, who employed sharp character work in Loki, approaches character development mechanically in MOM. As for Wanda, she has been reduced to a one-dimensional archetypal desperate mother, while in WandaVision, her character had more substance.
With actors like Cumberbatch, Olsen, and McAdams, I'm not sure what the writers were thinking when they came up with the dialogue since it is either severely lacking or just downright atrocious. We're supposed to care about his relationship with Christine Palmer, played by Rachel McAdams, but their relationship feels stale when contrasted with the drama unfolding around them. The performances are further hampered by the poor storyline and lack of depth in the characters' arcs. It's not that Cumberbatch and Olsen don't deserve credit for their performances, but you can't help but feel they are a victim of the writing.
I just wanted to point out several things that I think were either not addressed at all or not addressed adequately, as well as other things that are just downright problematic.
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Strange is not bothered by the fact that Wanda practically enslaved a whole town and psychologically tortured the inhabitants for weeks on end as long as it seems that she eventually put things right.
How do the kids exist in other universes? Clearly, Vision can't have kids. Did those other Wanda's also use Chaos magic to create themselves kids? If so, then why is alt-Wanda so weak?
Strange's laser circles are so powerful that they can sever a bus in two, yet he cannot remove more than one arm from the octopus for some reason!
Why did she choose to take it easy on Captain Carter and Captain Marvel, the two female heroes, when she killed two strong male heroes in a matter of a few seconds? It's implied she was in a rush.
Wanda says, "If there was a universe where you were happy, wouldn't you want to go there?" but when she dream-walks to another universe and assumes the identity of another Wanda, it's not apparent why that isn't enough for her.
Being a stay-at-home mom in the suburbs is Wanda's ultimate dream. This dream seems even more confining given that Wanda does not have Vision or any indication of the things she wants other than her children. It seems that Wanda has just one ambition: to become a mother. It's her one and only essential need, and if she doesn't get it, she goes insane.
Her lack of interest in finding other universes where Vision is still alive is puzzling. The Westview incident was caused exclusively by her grief over the death of Vision.
How did Wanda manage to eliminate each and every Darkhold that existed throughout all of the universes?
When Wanda eventually learns that indiscriminately murdering people is wrong and that the other Wandas would love "her" children, she collapses a mountain on her head. Ladies and gentlemen, that is Wanda Maximoff's character arc. While seeing this, I can't help but think of the ending of Wonder Woman 1984, and that's not a compliment.
How did Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme, survive the fall?
TL;DR
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is like a lime pickle in that it's not quite sure what it is. It has moments of sparkling inspiration and undeniable creativity, but it's ultimately flawed—another lost opportunity in the shaky fourth phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Fan Service? Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
Multi-Verse? Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022)
Super-Hero Multi-Verse? Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
This movie employs the same ideas like the three movies I mentioned above, but those movies do a far better job of executing those ideas than this one does.
Rating: 6.8/10
All you need is madness
A lot of this movie is equivalent to us finding out Evan Peters in Wandavision wasn't X-Men's Quicksilver
It's a good movie, but there's so much lost potential for a movie about the multiverse. No 'What If?' characters, no real links to 'Loki' and only one alternate universe is actually featured (for more than a second). The reshoots are also very obvious and parts seemed like they were missing
I hope John Krasinski plays Reed Richards in Universe 616. He deserved more screen time (same goes for Patrick Stewart).
Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness is an enjoyable movie. Don’t expect too much though :sweat_smile: but you’ll certainly love it
Small spoiler : Total waste of the illuminati :sneezing_face::sneezing_face:
Mr. Fantastic total waste
Black bolt: absolute waste
Killing captain carter like a game of fruit ninja is just horrible :joy::joy:
Never knew if a building fell on captain marvel she could die
And how tf does xavier get killed in his mind? I thought he had the strongest mind???
They could have thrown a bit more light on the scarlet witch, at least we get to see her “throne”
Dr. Strange turning into 3 eyed Dr. Strange sets probably the next movie or an appearance in a series. Who knows?
World Premiere Review: Sam Raimi, you legend. This was one of, if not the most, fun MCU movie yet. It's very Evil Dead inspired visually, particularly the camera work. The character arcs here are fantastic, the action is wonderfully violent (the multiverse gives so much opportunity to kill off characters without impacting the main timeline too much), and the pacing is great, just go see it.
Sam Raimi brings us Evil Dead for the Marvel Universe.
I felt like this was missing something and didn't live up to the full potential it could've. Maybe it was the title, "Multiverse of Madness", maybe it was all the trailers that did a great job misleading us while also spoiling all the best parts of the movie, or maybe I just didn't like how two dimensional they made Wanda after she spent an entire show already learning how her power can hurt people and exposing everyone to her grief. How many times did Wanda need to indirectly quote Thanos before we got the point? "I call that mercy", "They'll never know..." etc.
Overall this has kind of cut down my excitement for phase 4 a bit, and coming from someone who LOVED the infinity saga that hurts and worries me to say. I feel like the movie tries to over simplify things and these were characters that aren't simple. This needed to be deeper. I feel like we needed to see Kang here, even if just for a moment or two. I feel like we needed Loki too. The only trouble with opening the multiverse can of worms is now it REALLY doesn't matter when some of these heroes are getting killed, "Oh that's just Mr Fantastic from 818, this is 6 1 whatever".
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't really good either, and with how much hype they put on it I'm let down. This needed a real villain. It's not that Scarlet Witch didn't make a good villain, it's that I didn't want to see her be one after the journey we've gone on with her, and her doing the right thing in the end doesn't excuse her murdering like a hundred people no matter what universes they were in and her logic was flawed from the start.
And where the F is "real" Mordo?
Really wanted one universe jump where he meets himself as Sherlock Holmes :drooling_face:
So random. Felt like a TV Movie. They had the whole multiverse at their disposal and this is what they had to show for it.
They really said Fuck Wandavision here. As if any of that character growth and emotional journey had never happened. Plus, the dialogue was flat and full of clichés and what kind of unearned plot device is a randomly convenient Memory Bank? Ugh.
A weirdly paced, pretty much pointless second act left me bored. Despite the limitless possibilities of a multiverse, they came up with an incredibly bland and uninteresting alternate universe.
Feeling a bit swindled. Its a Scarlet Witch movie. The movie is about her no matter what spin you want to put on it. I was expecting a lot more cameos but the Illuminati scene held up. MASSIVE opportunity missed to include White Vision! Remi done well and some parts were fun but felt rehashed from pervious movies. Wong is a weak Sorcerer Supreme to the point it’s infuriating. Graphically they done well and its a bright, sharp CGI fest. Soundtrack was pretty standard, no real clinch tracks. Xochitl over acted her part, if she was directed that way then thats on the studio but constant screams and dramatic facial expressions and beyond cringe. Hopefully she will remain a foot note.
Doctor Strange in the Fan-Service of Madness.
There is nothing important in this movie. Oh, there are multiverses now. Nothing matters anymore, noone stays dead, nothing is of any consequence: just go to another universe and everything is fine.
WTF JUST HAPPENED MAN! This could be so amazing!!!!!!! I just hate America Chavez, her caracter is totally expendable, her image is based on a ridiculous stereotype and her being there didn’t cut out for me. Such a waist of potential. Wanda is so unstoppable it makes us lose interest! The instigating thing about a superhero is literally the things they can’t do, so if nobody can stop Wanda, it is boring. They didn’t even really explore the multiverse. Sooooo many things I didn’t like, it was a total miss for me. And it makes me really sad to say that, cause I love marvel, it makes me happy, but this movie….. :((((((
Watching the movie, I kind of got the impression that Sam Raimi wanted to change the style of the Marvel movies, but Disney prevented him from doing so, instead reintroducing the same old thing. Yes, you can definitely see Raimi's fingerprints in some of the scenes, and my god are they good! Seeing Wanda kill so cruelly in a Marvel movie gave me goosebumps, I loved the chase scene to death. But otherwise, it's the usual Marvel story, nothing more, nothing less: story written in a forced way, I didn't like America's actress very much (as well as the character), the musical fight is a ridiculous setup.
5/10
Holy fuck how beautiful is Elizabeth Olsen btw
What marvel did to Charles Xavier is blasphemy.
Good strange, bad strange, zombie strange, good Wanda, bad Wanda, zombie Wanda, good jack Ryan, sliced up Jack Ryan, no bree Larson, innocent girl, bad girl, hero girl. Good start, medium middle, bad ending.
Every time I go watch a Marvel Movie, I leave the cinema disappointed. Still, I keep returning every now and again, hoping that they don't ruin yet another IP that I genuinely enjoyed in its' first installation. With this movie, the cycle ticks forth once more.
Like many other MCU movies, this is a wild mix of randomly selected heroes that fight each other multiple times over the span of two hours with extreme destruction and chaos everywhere around them. Compared to the first Doctor Strange, this movie has lost most, if not all of the character traits and special design choices that made it unique. There is only one of the iconic "dream sequences" of Strange, and it's completely lackluster. Even Spider-Man FFH had more than this Doctor Strange centered movie! Over the entire length, Strange does very little to progress the plot, as most of the story happens by either side characters or the antagonists.
As many others have stated, this should be another Wanda title, not a Dr. Strange one. She get's more screen time, more character development, more everything. It's honestly a shame.
During the screenplay, my jaw kept dropping at the ridiculousness of the script in general. Maybe I don't get it because I haven't watched every single MCU installation, but the plot points are completely crazy. The whole movie is ridden with plot-holes and straight up stupid writing, both for dialog and general happenings. It felt like a story written by 10-year-olds and then picked up and "marvelized" by grown-ups.
In conclusion: If you're a fan of the complete MCU and understand any and all movies of that whole universe and still like it, you're probably gonna eat this one right up. But for anyone who just enjoys the isolated Dr. Strange IP without the Marvel garbage around it, skip this one. Rewatch the first one or even Spider-Man FFH, as those two show more and better of Strange than new movie even remotely does.
[7.4/10] Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is effectively two movies. One is what the title promises. The titular Master of the Mystic Arts goes on a dimension-hopping adventure with America Chavez, a young girl with potent but variable universe-jumping powers. And that part of the movie is...fine.
The narrative is fine, with the latest threat to all of creation requiring the former Sorcerer Supreme to amass as many magical allies as possible wherever he can find them. Stock themes about not needing to be “the one holding the knife” for the doctor and learning to believe in yourself for his young ward are slight, but arguably in line with the moral of humility and magnanimity from the first Doctor Strange film. The plot is flimsy, but the various new realities and magic powers involved give director Sam Raimi the canvas to deliver the horror he crafts like no other, even if, at times, this half of the film feels like an array of creatively bonkers set pieces in search of a story.
The other half is the seeming conclusion to the superlative story told in WandaVision. That television series, in which Wanda Maximoff explored her grief over losing the man she loved, found success by being one part classic sitcom tribute, one part Twilight Zone-style horror show, and one part movingly real exploration of grief. Multiverse of Madness extends that excellence, with Wanda herself pursuing Chavez in the hopes of finding a universe where she can be with her lost sons, at any cost.
Where the Dr. Strange sections are creditable and competent, the Wanda sections are downright transcendent. Leaping from reality to reality in order to save the multiverse and learn when to let go is standard stuff by now. It can’t hold a magically-lit candle to the story of a mother suffering a cascade of tragedies, seeking to escape this reality for one that can fill that aching hole, turning into a monster through a combination of pain and anger, and only realizing and rectifying that through the eyes of the young children she’s striving so desperately to return to. There is a poetry in her portion of the film that the title character’s portion can’t remotely compare to.
Some of that's the pure narrative. Writer Michael Waldron finds a strong progression for Wanda, with turns in her emotional affect and tactics that simultaneously humanize her desires while showing how far gone he is. There’s no such clarity of purpose in Strange’s plot. He just wanders from big sequence to big sequence -- some of which are great and some of which are forgettable -- with little in the way of connective tissue or narrative momentum.
But much of it comes down to the performances. Benedict Cumberbatch does plenty of conspicuous ack-ting, but never finds the human center of Steven Strange. Xochitl Gomez is overmatched as Miss America, his temporary and reluctant partner, coming off generic and unable to find the emotional core of her character. Rachel Adams has little that's clear or important to do as Christine, Strange’s ex-fiancee, and never rises above “perfectly acceptable” in doing it.
The other half of the movie, though, benefits from one strong supporting actor and one incredible performance. Benedict Wong carries himself with a conviction and heart all but missing from the film’s protagonist. Like Christine, he’s mostly a carry-on bag of a character, but unlike Adams, Wong makes a meal out of the scraps the film gives him.
Elizabeth Olsen, though, has much meatier material to work with and gives a virtuoso performance of the grieving parent turned single-minded villain. Her ability to convey utter menace through calm but seething speech and unnerving body language stuns you. And at the same time, she’ll break your heart with authentic expressions of mourning and desperation for what’s been taken from her and what she’d give anything to regain. There’s a complexity to her character and circumstances that far surpass anything else in the film, and as much of that owes to the layers in Olsen’s stand out performance as it does to what’s on the page.
Still, credit must also be paid for what ends up on the screen, of course. Raimi remains a master of horror and of maximalist set pieces that deliver a nearly Looney Tunes level of flair. The one time Evil Dead maestro returns to his bone-chilling roots with an expert’s assurance. Wanda’s pursuit of Chavez through reflections and blank spaces, her ability to creep into the minds of enemies as varied as a nameless recruit and Professor X himself, and her merciless decimation of some of the biggest figures in the Marvel multiverse writ large makes her an utterly terrifying figure and renews Raimi’s stomach-churning bona fides.
At the same time, though, Raimi and his collaborators carry over Scott Derrickson’s surrealist visual panache from Strange’s first cinematic outing. While occasionally carrying some of that antiseptic CGI sheen, the movie still features cool visuals in mystical in-between stations, artistic renderings of ventures from one dimension to the next, and other liminal moments that give certain scenes an almost Lynchian quality. Throw in a musical stand-off that feels pure Raimi (and the spiritual successor to Peter and Harry’s jazz battle in Spider-Man 3), and you can at least appreciate the director’s famed approach to aesthetics and movement individually, even if they don’t always add up to a greater whole.
The same goes for the film’s roundly enjoyable fan service. Is there a point to seeing Patrick Stewart reprise the role of Professor X from Fox’s X-Men series? Or in bringing back Anson Mount as Black Bolt from little-seen and even less-loved Inhumans show? Or in giving us tantalizing glimpses of alternate Captains of both the America or Marvel variety? Not really, beyond the fact that you can kill them off without taking any of the oomph away from other characters in the main timeline. Yet, it remains a thrill to see these familiar faces taken to new places, and even previews of characters poised to make a bigger splash down the line. It’s pure cheese, but if it doesn’t jazz you at least a little, then I question why you’d bother with a movie with multiverse in the title.
That's the thing about Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. It works fine enough as a threadbare but entertaining jaunt through the standard alternate dimension block and tackle that's become the standard for comic book stories. This is a lot of movie for two hours, and the plotting becomes a complete mess rather quickly. It requires a level of investment in both Dr. Strange himself and his relationship with Christine that neither this film nor its predecessor manage to earn. Still, taken as a series of loosely connected, one-off doses of spectacle strung together, Raimi and his team more than accomplish what they need to for this roundly comic book-y adventure.
Unfortunately, they’re also doomed by their own success elsewhere. I don’t just mean the expectations that come with having directed one of the greatest superhero films of all time in Spider-Man 2, but also in crafting this harrowing, heartfelt, low-key devastating alternate story of Wanda’s grief nearly consuming her until she regains a shred of herself back through the children she’d give anything to reunite with. It is almost a separate movie, a better, more frightening, and more poignant reason to venture across worlds in search of something dear and devastating now lost forever. The greatest sin and greatest triumph of the film is giving audiences a reasonably diverting multiverse, and pairing it with a transcendent dose of madness.
Went into this one with expectations of epic proportions after how much I've loved Spider-Man NWH, but I didn't feel this one. The acting and CGI was top notch but it's Marvel, so that shouldn't really be mentioned as an upside. The script wasn't really good and the whole "multiverse" concept and theme felt like false advertising for me. And don't even get me started on the cameos.
Multiverse of Madness means the main universe and one extra apparently.
Nothing about mutants being brought to the MCU, Prof. X gets about 4 minutes of screen time and a stupid death.
Why the fuck did John Krasinski play Mr. Fantastic? Was Ioan Gruffudd busy or what?
Also Strange Supreme was a total fuck-up and false advertising.
So many missed opportunities... Michael B. Jordan Black Panther, Tom Cruise Iron Man, Chris Evans Human Torch, any Quicksilver, any Blade, damn.
And the post credit scene. Just a big fuck you to ticket payers.
raimi i love you, but you should have made a scarlet witch movie.
this one had so much potential but since its marvel we wont get any surprises. everything exciting was told in the trailer, the mainvillian has suddently a change of heart and the movie is over, no multiverse of madness, just two other ones and smashing some cameos in for the claps. no twist, no suspense, nothing new. i will watch it again at home in some time, but i think i am getting tired of those movies...
I've never been such so disappointed with a MCU movie! Big MEH :expressionless:
The horror and gore elements in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness added such a fresh vibe to an otherwise stale universe, it would’ve been a perfect Halloween release. :astonished: I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam Raimi took inspiration from The Grudge school of contortionism for Scarlet Witch vs the Mirror Dimension scenes.
I absolutely LOVED the introduction of America Chavez in the MCU. I think she and Strange played off each other really well comedically. I just hope people get behind their dynamic the same way they do for Peter Parker & Iron Man. If the multiverse is going to continue to be prevalent in the next phase of Marvel content, her powers are gonna be so important moving forward.
Elizabeth Olsen ATE. Even though they had conflicting motivations, I loved the overlapping similarities between Wanda & Strange when it came to wielding their powers. Takeaway message: “just because someone stumbles & loses their way doesn’t mean they are lost forever.”
BONUS THOUGHT: If you're like me & hated the last 15 seconds of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the first post credits scene will change your mind. Without spoiling anything, there’s a major character reveal that flipped my irritation into pure excitement. I’m so pumped for what’s next.
Doctor Strange : It's Not You Its the Darkhold
Still better than "Everything, Everywhere all at once".
This said, Wanda's reasons are weak at best and make no justice to her growth and grief in Wandavision , some jokes try too hard (tho the dynamic duo WongStrange is really good in this one) and some frames are questionable.
Enjoyable tho
I'm not one to watch trailers. Despite this I still had a certain level of expectation that wasn't met by this kind of a movie. The fact that we barely see any avengers at all was a big letdown. I thought the point of the multiverse was to introduce and mesh characters from different worlds together. The effects were good but the storyline made little to no sense.
It's okay but overall I was disappointed with this movie. I didn't enjoy the first third at all really. Wanda was just annoying in this too. Got better towards the rear end at least.
Doctor evil dead, enough said
I think for they first time, it would be better if you watched the TV series #WandaVision before seen this movie, you'll understand Wanda's pain more
my mouth is still wide open
Desperately wanted pretty much the first doctor strange for another 2 hours but instead got a movie about a random star girl with a weak back story & a confusing murdering wanda.
Yet another Marvel disappointment! The only character they even get right is the Sorcerer Supreme himself. Not even the teenaged newcomer, America, is done right. The Marvel movies may be good for those who don't know their comic history, but for those of us who do, it always just seems like one massive disappointment after another! I do NOT plan on being suckered into another one! At least the others do stay relatively true to comicbook movies, but this one doesn't even follow the right formula. It's like they took the very basics of comic characters they knew and spun not even a filmed comicbook movie but a B-rated horror movie! Oh, how Raimi has fallen since the Xena days!!
For a film taking multiverse at the center stage there surely is a poverty of creative vision what multiverses could be. Other than vaguely green futuristic city and people blotched in pink paint, there's barely any imagination of what other possible worlds may exist out there, e.g., the most obvious, why is America Chavez's sexuality or her parents no different than what we have now? Of course this is MCU film, not Ursula Le Guin's, so shallowness is to be expected...
... but shallowness creeps all over the segment in this film. Characters can't seem to get over one dimensional portrayal: Strange's looming over his ex-wife, Maximoff's obsession with her children, and Chavez's constant uncertainty with her powers. They went across multiverses but couldn't even get across those simplistic characterization when nothing really happens until the eventual climaxes. Characterizations are dull, featuring a lineup of people with different costumes that is only good for merchandizing but is exhibiting nothing more than simplistic "bad" and "good". Characters made dumb decisions, such as the Illuminati and Richard Reed's scene that has been memed to death. Chavez as the spotlight is incredibly bland and boring, serving as nothing more than talking McGuffin that the characters have to grasp.
I do wish the dialogues are just forgettable, but the level of cringe it induces, especially in the grand finale of the film, really made it hard to forget due to how bad it is. The plot is complete bollocks and nonsensical. Rather than a Multiverse of Madness this film feels more like a Scriptwriting of Madness.
Sure Sam Raimi's directorial touch is here and there with some camera panning and transition, but that's all about it. Visually the first Dr. Strange is better, I say. Won't even recommend it even if you have some hours to kill. Only MCU fanatics would consciously watch this one and give it a good rating.
So mid. So very very mid. I'm not sure if it's Marvel fatigue but all of these productions are starting to feel one in the same. Not even Sam Raimi's Evil Dead-esque styling on this one can make it feel any different from the usual superhero schlock that Marvel have been pumping out 4 times a year for the last decade. By introducing the multiverse, Marvel have given themselves a ticket to introduce fan-wank characters for all of 5 minutes, get the applause from the fans and then remove them from existence entirely. That's cool and shocking the first time you do it, but doing it repeatedly and for characters people are actively waiting for, it just gets tiresome and old. Additionally, it loses all weight behind all of the existing characters because now no one can be truly gone.
Iron Man dead? Well, we'll just get another Iron Man from the infinite universes we now have access to. Everyone waiting for the Fantastic Four? What if we bring in the fan-casting front runner, and immediately remove him for a quick 5 minute shock? Wow, great, you sure got me Feige. I truly believe the multiverse introduction was the cinematic equiavalent of the Death of Superman. All weight and stakes are lost because nothing is truly final anymore.
Ramble aside, I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that the MCU ended at Endgame for me. I've tried to stay onboard with the TV shows and all the current entries from the movies, but they're all just so bland and directionless. All they offer is references for fans and the same wink-to-camera humour that Marvel has been riding for a while now. Starting MoM, I was excited to finally have a movie that would play on the consequences of WandaVision and move on from there; instead all the character growth and development from the show is thrown aside and Wanda wants her otherUniverse kids again? So what was the point of the show?! Why did I invest in that show and Wandas journey if, not 5 minutes into this film, you're going to throw it all away? Just horrifically mid, and I'll probably be skipping whatever the MCU throws out for a good while. MoM was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Good movie, but leaves something to be desired. Some holes in the script, which spoils the experience for some.
To be honest, the first movie beats this one very easily.
Low quality CGI effects and some glitchy scenes. In the end it's not a bad movie, it's just more or less..
A disappointment? Well, it took me a while to go see this movie and the first negative reviews didn't get to discourage me, they said that the movie escaped from the "Marvel formula" and for me that was great, "Eternals" and "WandaVision" (the first episodes) are, probably my favorite things from this Phase 4 of the MCU, and it's the most disjointed we've seen in the last nearly 12 years at Marvel. “Doctor Strange” is one of my favorite movies exactly because it is different from the others, the visual aesthetics along with the almost hallucinogenic effects, the presentation of the mythology around the character, the way he deals with good and evil, the evolution of Strange… for me it's an almost perfect movie. Already “Multiverse of Madness” I define as confused. The direction here is wonderful, the construction of the scenes is incredible, even the half-movie transitions from the 90s/80s work well, but the script doesn't. The movie really feels from the time, that kind of action movie where everything happens and nothing is happening at the same time, where coincidentally the protagonists are where they should be at the time they should be and in the end everything is resolved with love, or in this case , the willpower of the protagonist.
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The opening scene is terrible, a lot of action and little information, it left me lost. Then the script accelerates to show where the protagonist is and introduce the new protagonist, which is ends up being poorly done (in addition to the bad choice of casting, seriously, whitewashing in 2022???) and also the villain and his motivations.
In some parts the movie gets stuck and even regresses, as in "oh but we don't care that the most powerful entity in your universe is behind us, the problem here is you, because in this universe you are evil and bla bla bla" or one of the most powerful and unique objects in the universe is neither so powerful nor so unique. In addition to things that are very poorly executed and difficult to swallow. Seriously, the smartest guy in the world would just try to hold back the villain who just killed his teammate? Which, by the way, only died because that genius opened his mouth and handed over his colleague's weakness to the villain. Or "let's stop here halfway even if there's a death-thirsty being behind us" plus other useless scenes made to fill space, like, I really don't care about Strange's romance and how ridiculous a fight of musical notes. The lines are robotic, the villain seems to just try to launch a new viral catchphrase on the internet, the humor is thrown in your face in a way, often unnecessary and out of time. The visual effects are horrible at times and it disconnects you from the movie, the opening scene seems to be taken from “The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D”.
[SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!] Wanda (from the main universe) would work much better as a hidden villain who is only "revealed" her intentions at the end (in quotes because anyone who watched "WandaVision" would already suspect).
The main hits are even the horror and violence parts (the scene with the white background and red smoke is a masterpiece), something in fact never seen in Marvel. These are the coolest moments in the movie and if it were fully made like that it would be perfect. It seems to me that they wanted to give Wanda the spotlight and changed a lot of things at the last minute to fit in with the latest happenings in the MCU
One of the darker Marvel movies, and I say thank you! It was not the best Marvel movie. But, it worked well in playing off the past and setting up several (possible) directions for the MCU to go.
P.S. - I love Bruce Campbell!
I really hope we continue to get solid films like this and we've not yet reached the apex of what they can do with these characters.
-I love you in every universe. It's not that I don't want to care for someone, or have someone care for me. It's just... I get scared sometimes.
-Face your fears :)
This hit me hard, and the fact that we actually don't have portals to other worlds where we can finally tell someone. Just face your fears !
Pizza Poppa always gets paid!
Fun for the most part with some dazzling visuals, stylish cameral trickery, and some surprising horror moments. I think more could have been done with the story and more cameos would have been nice. Still, this is entertaining stuff and while not up there with the recent Spiderman movie, it's still a quality movie.
So glad I avoided any spoilers for this, and it had surprises. I enjoyed the film overall, some nice flourishes and nods, but for one of Marvel's huge tentpole films, this is (mostly) surprisingly mid. Go in with diminished expectations. The horror aspects of it are pretty great though
i blame Everything, Everywhere, All at once for absolutely wrecking me for any other multiverse story. They'll ALL pale in comparison
Fucking finally. First time I have been engaged by a MCU flick. Well paced, maybe like Infinity War, enough and sensible dialogue, cool action scenes, and high stakes. Also, Danny Elfman does half the job in making this movie good (and that's probably something more to thank Sam Raimi.
PD: No, you don't need to see anything. I think it's enough by watching this movie to get a feel on Wanda.
The first one was much better. I preferred Morbius.
Disappointing, to be honest. Maybe I was a bit too hyped or the film's a bit meh, really. Even silly, sometimes. But Sam Raimi does got a lot of style, though. The horror sprinkled throughout the film is nice. Overall, it's one of those Marvel canned products where you'll have fun while you're at the movies and you'll forget about it in a couple of days.
It had some cool visuals, okay music, and fine acting for the material. Those are the only positive things I can really say. Every other aspect of this film was sub-par at best. This is in contention for the worst MCU movie I've seen.
I am surprised many liked this. I found it drug on and story just stretches because they don’t have a good script. Way too long.
This film was, at times, enjoyable to watch, but overall, it wasn't great. The story was weak and superficial; I could not find anything meaningful to take away from the film. I was disappointed by the lack of creativity and boldness because the concept of the multiverse remained largely unexplored.
Good, mostly
Soooooo --there is a lot about this I really love! I absolutely love Sam Raimi's work & his signature style was threaded all thru this!
I love Dr. Strange and Wanda, they are 2 of my faves! I loved the first Dr. Strange movie & I was eager to see a sequel.
But . . . I dunno. The story was-- weak, frankly. The jump for Wanda from where we left Westview just to full-on super-villain wasn't explained (plus, I was annoyed at the redundancy- like, she's been a Marvel villain before, DUH! She started THERE! She CHANGED and now we just looped her right back around where she started, making ALL her character development disavowed!) Vision was MIA, and we really needed him to be a part of this if the story was gonna focus so much on Wanda. (also, why the hell was it SO MUCH WANDA?? Like, Dr. Strange was sidelined and less interesting in his OWN MOVIE! If you wanted to do a Wanda story, give her HER movie and give Doc Strange something else.)
It just felt lacking to me. The visuals was beautiful and I loved it when it was a fun ride, but it came at cost of good characters.
"Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" is the 28th entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, directed by Sam Raimi. The movie follows Doctor Strange (Cumberbatch) as he travels through different universes to protect America Chavez (Gomez) from the threat of the Scarlet Witch (Olson). The plot is thin and heavily reliant on its visuals, and the character of America Chavez is underdeveloped and serves mostly as a plot device. The performances are generally good, but the movie falls short in its narrative and fails to live up to its potential. Raimi brings his signature style to the film, and it is undoubtedly a Raimi film that happens to exist in the MCU. The visuals are striking, and there are some good horror elements included, but these moments don't add up to much in the overall story. The portal hopping and CGI are lacklustre and at times dull, and the score falls short of what you would expect from an MCU film. The movie does not live up to its title of "Multiverse of Madness" and the different universes depicted are rather mundane, despite Raimi having creative freedom in other aspects of the film. Overall, "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" is a disappointing sequel that fails to live up to the standard set by the first Doctor Strange film and is uneven, unbalanced, and unfocused.
"Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" es la entrada número 28 en Marvel Cinematic Universe, dirigida por Sam Raimi. La película sigue al Doctor Strange (Cumberbatch) mientras viaja a través de diferentes universos para proteger a América Chávez (Gómez) de la amenaza de la Bruja Escarlata (Olson). La trama es delgada y depende en gran medida de sus imágenes, y el personaje de America Chavez está subdesarrollado y sirve principalmente como un dispositivo de trama. Las actuaciones son generalmente buenas, pero la película se queda corta en su narrativa y no está a la altura de su potencial. Raimi aporta su estilo característico a la película y, sin duda, es una película de Raimi que existe en el UCM. Las imágenes son sorprendentes y hay algunos buenos elementos de terror incluidos, pero estos momentos no suman mucho en la historia general. El salto de portal y el CGI son mediocres y, a veces, aburridos, y la puntuación no es lo que esperarías de una película de MCU. La película no está a la altura de su título de "Multiverso de locura" y los diferentes universos representados son bastante mundanos, a pesar de que Raimi tiene libertad creativa en otros aspectos de la película. En general, "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" es una secuela decepcionante que no cumple con el estándar establecido por la primera película de Doctor Strange y es desigual, desequilibrada y desenfocada.
Good to talk about this masterpiece.. Man this movie is so bad but so bad, that there's no way to think about recommending it to anyone.
bad cgi effects, story without just so-so, some grotesque flaws in scenes .. in the initial scene where the doctor fights .. there is a glaring flaw, where he appears in a scene in x place, and already in the next scene he appears in a totally different place as if he had simply teleported, but the scene clearly shows that he did not open a portal. the movie's villains are simply, cgi art that a child would make if he took aftereffects for the first time in his life, he is able to do better than the studio itself.
Anyway, I hated this movie, keep the first movie, because it was designed and created in a descent.
I do not understand how people liked this movie. It felt disjointed and bloated, like it was missing the necessary vision to tie it all together.
The multiverse premise was barely explored at all.
Wanda's character development was completely reversed. It's as if WandaVision never happened.
Maybe if you're a Sam Raimi fan there's more here for you. I can't speak to that.
Edit: Elizabeth Olsen says, "It’s a similar arc in Multiverse of Madness that it is in WandaVision... I proposed that to the writers who wrote Multiverse of Madness. I said, ‘Do you know what we’re doing in WandaVision? Have you seen it?’ And no, they had not seen it because it wasn’t finished yet." (source: https://youtu.be/qfK0JmirhHU)
I think that about says it all.
“The best surgeon and the best superhero. But you still didn't get the girl.”
‘Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness’ feels like two different versions desperately clashing with each other. It’s almost at war with itself. Most of the movie is very much a Sam Rami movie, yet the other half is the usual, self-contained, often safe, Marvel movie, where we didn’t have many multiverses as anticipated, but there was a lot of madness. ‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’ is an excellent example of delivering a chaotic multi-layered film while still delivering on its title and telling a moving story.
So, despite that little critique at the start, I still liked the movie. As for now, this is probably the best-directed Marvel movie in terms of camera movement, scene transitions, and having so much visual style. Also, the creativity with Doctor Strange's powers is one of the movie's highlights. One scene is when Doctor Strange fights Sinister Strange, a multiverse version of himself, using music notes from sheets of paper to create attacks, especially how it combines with the score.
And big props to Sam Rami for pushing the age rating for the movie to its very limit because there are some brutal character deaths here. The horror elements were also delivered, as the creepiness and Gothic horror were effective. Rami sneakily made an MCU Evil Dead.
Another thing to note here is how good the score is. When the track ‘A Cup of Tea’ played and the guitar riffs hit while showing Wanda dream walking, it captured the uneasy feeling of something wickedly dark, almost like a Satanic ritual. Whenever Danny Elfman hits the right mark with composing, it's fantastic.
Benedict Cumberbatch once again nails it as the title character. Also, in this movie, he gets a brief but impactful chance to play different versions of the Doctor and the little changes to the characterization. So, in some cases, a variant of Doctor Strange may look like the hero we know but are different and, well, strange.
During his fourth appearance in the MCU, I have always liked Benedict Wong and his character, as he makes for a solid supporting role, and there is no difference here.
Elizabeth Olsen returns as Wanda, who’s the main villain of the movie, and a cold one as well. There were some eerie and often time terrifying scenes with her. I like this approach to the character; the traumatic hero turned villain. It’s a tragic character arc. My only problem with this is that I feel like we needed a few more steps for her to spiral into madness. Between "I accidentally hurt people" and "I'm willing to murder my alternate self, and just in case one of my stolen kids catches a cold, I will murder a child to absorb her powers, so in another universe where there’s a cure." Like, I know she is affected by the Darkhold book that’s corrupting her mind and actions, hence the massive switch in character, but I wish they didn’t do that, and slowly throughout the film, she descends into villainy.
While this review has been positive, I do have some negatives.
The movie does feel rushed, as the runtime is 2 hours, and it flies by. However, this can be a positive and a negative, with the positive being that it's an entertaining rush of an experience. On the other hand, any character development felt undeveloped, such as the switch in change with Wanda that I brought up above and not enough time in different universes. The writing was questionable at times. I feel like these were two movies that got combined.
In the two post-credit scenes, the first ends on a shocking Sam Rami cliffhanger, but not long after that, the second post-credit started that felt so outplace and goes against the cliffhanger. I believe this was the perfect example of the studio vs. Sam Rami.
And the character of America Chavez is such a useless character and does not do anything of note until the very end. The actress who played her wasn’t good either.
Although one of the parts of the movie that stood out to me the most, amidst all the chaos, is the message of acceptance, improving yourself, and letting go. It’s one thing to be self-aware of your issue with attaching yourself to something, similar to being aware of your problems, and it’s another when someone openly tells you, but it’s otherworldly to imagine seeing another version of yourself with the personal issue on clear display, consumed them to their lowest form, which in the movie, Strange and Wanda see first-hand, with the message being: accept, improve yourself, and the hardest one of all, to let go. So, the line "I love you in every universe" is cheesy, but to me, it works, as there are multi-universes and ties into his love for Kristine, but in every universe, he cannot be with her, as there are not soulmates; it is hard to accept and even harder to move on.
But that’s just my takeaway from the movie.
Overall rating: The MCU gave us something different, and I cannot help but support that.
A sort-of companion piece to both Spider-Man: No Way Home and the Disney+ original series What If...?, Multiverse of Madness represents Marvel's latest, deepest dive into the functional possibilities of an alternate reality. Several realities, in fact, as the title should inform. While fighting to derail the latest dark, magical threat to our universe, Strange and company are sucked through a portal and tread upon dozens of similar, but distinct, versions of the MCU.
This serves as a fantastic excuse to get creative, with the brains behind the project energized by the chance... no, the directive... to be as crazy and weird as they wanna be, without the worry of resetting any pieces after the game's through. When you've got a closet full of Dr. Strange variations, the essential mandate that Dr. Strange must survive the latest Dr. Strange flick doesn't really hold water. Of course, there are ethical questions involved with all this - at least, from the characters' perspectives - but to a large degree, it feels like a loosening of the handcuffs.
Unfortunately, those freer stakes also make everything seem more artificial and trivial. The film appears to sense this, fighting to retain a degree of importance despite dozens of major, throwaway onscreen deaths, but isn't quite crafty enough shoot the gap. Instead, the pacing suffers for the attempt. An editor's nightmare, Multiverse of Madness is prone to long periods of lush, exciting visual concepts, followed by equally long periods of dull, plodding exposition and glacial character development. It's fun, actually lots of fun in shorter bursts, but very thin and entirely too long. And, while the geek in me appreciates just how thoroughly Marvel Comics the whole premise looks, acts and feels, I fear it's wandered too far from what made the MCU's earlier films so successful.
This movie sucked. Went in expecting typical Marvel stereotype, and the movie could not even match up to that.
Things pulling out of no where. Antagonist all of a sudden having unfathomable power. Strange motivating the Hero to save the day in the climax with couple of words.
No depth in the story. Lately it feels like Marvel movies are degrading in quality every passing movie.
A 2 hour film that feels like it was 3. The story (what little of it there was) between the endless CGI action scenes ranged from a bit limp to totally uninteresting. Hard to fault the spectacle of the movie overall and the action scenes were very well done, problem is you need more than a relentless stream of action sequences to make a movie interesting.
cgi unicorn vomit with a scenario that ask more question than it answer.
Possibly the worst Marvel movie ever. A triumph of form over substance. A hodge-podge of special effects cliches, leading to s totally predictable ending, at which point, my only hope was that this trite, pointless and formulaic mess would not spawn a sequel. Clearly, it will, more’s the pity.
This is the first marvel movie that I was surprised how bad it was. It was over hyped.
So many plot holes like when Strange suddenly learns to control the black demons and America suddenly learns to control her powers.
The CGI was also really bad, especially the dumb third eye on Stranger's forehead.
But I did enjoy a few things like Wanda being a freaky demon and killing everyone was fun to watch. And the soft introduction of Mr. Fantastic and Professor X.
This could've been so much better...
Wow this movie and the mcu movies are constantly staying on one theme. And I won't mention it but endgame and this.movie same theme figure it out. There is no way Wanda can just walk through these other powerful avengers like nothing and the concept of her wanting her kids that she created was already solved in wandavision.
Such a disappointment.
as much as i do love dr strange i feel like it should've been told w/ wanda's point of view instead of strange's... or maybe i just really liked wandavision... idk but overall wasn't THE best for me... loved the illuminati part or at least the casting <333
Yesterday I watched Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of What The Fuck Was That.
The movie was kind of cool but also kind of strange. (haha) I didn't like that Wanda was the bad girl. I did, on the other hand, really like how she took out the heroes of the other world. I don't know. Overall, it wouldn't have needed it, but I probably lack too much comic book knowledge. Doctor Strange was never someone I read.
Short and sweet: Partly strong effects, a few really nice ideas and otherwise - for me - superfluous. No matter. I got to know and love the character through Benedict Cumberbatch. From there go 4 it.
It's like they didn't understand the whole point of WandaVision. I haven't been this shocked by an MCU film in a long time. They took this movie in the one direction that it shouldn't have gone. Raimi was fun. Great director but the script here is not good.
I'm not sure they could have come up with a more appropriate name: Madness describes this from start to finish. I've been a Marvel comics fan for years - beginning with the comic books and decades before "streaming video" and the Marvel Comics Universe were even thought of - but frankly, I just miss the early days of "superhero vs. supervillain": Spiderman vs. Doctor Octopus (or the Kingpin, or the Lizard, or the Rhino, et al), or The Fantastic Four vs Dr. Doom, or The Incredible Hulk vs. everyone else... I've been a fan of almost all of the Marvel screen adaptations (yes, even those horrible early attempts at Fantastic Four) but they started losing appeal once all these "alternate universe" storylines started to happen. It just seemed to be a way to continue milking a story that they couldn't figure out how to conclude without alienating a lot of fans, i.e. "Let's kill off a bunch of the good guys...but let's leave a loophole to bring them back just in case our fanbase threatens to walk away." I loved the original Avengers movie, and was even a fan of the Age of Ultron but my attention span started waning with Infinity War and finally I stopped when they killed off Iron Man and a host of others (including the indestructible Hulk) in End Game. While I was delighted with the first Dr. Strange movie, this one is just far too convoluted, too busy, to ridiculously difficult to follow for me to even begin to enjoy it. I watched it from start to finish and still don't understand 90% of what I just witnessed. How is it that a "witch" with infinite power is still limping along trying to play catch up to the ones she's pursuing? I mean, seriously...if you've got all this "power", why bother chasing people down tunnels and having to stop for closed doors? If Stephen Strange is, indeed, the "Master of the Mystic Arts", why is he getting his butt handed to him by some PMS-laden chick whose biological clock has ticked out and she can't have kids of her own so she's going to cyber-nap some other version's kids? What's up with all these nonsensical stories? While I found the special effects "interesting", they were far too busy to keep up with, and the "fight" scenes...well, I guess if you consider throwing a bunch of SpiroGraph circles and sparkly fireworks at each other "fighting", this would probably be right up your alley. Not my cup of tea, though; I consider this one a very lengthy waste of time.
Everything Disney is putting its stamp on is going down the toilet. It starts off good but ends terribly. Childish stuff.
I don’t expect very much of marvel sequels, so all I expected was some strange goodness and a sweet little ca—cloak!
Which it delivered.
Personally I didn’t mind it was as long as it was, I barely noticed. It wasn’t quite as scary as some people said it would be.
I liked the whole “you make a mistake and they make you a hero, I make one and they make me a monster” thing, it’s been a trending social discussion. Which I don’t think they solved that well, because in the case presented in Strange, while Wanda was reasonable at first, she did try to communicate and no one really listened (or rather, no one believed her), it did make her a “monster”. She started out reasonable but during her entire dream walking processes she somehow lost it, to the point of seemingly not realising she didn’t just hurt a lot of people, but in fact kill them. So far removed from the Mother-Wanda.
I loved how much the dream walking as well as the travelling the multiverse was so close to actual Astral projection and shamanic journeys. Loved that.
And what I’ve always liked with Strange is how you can make a weapon out of anything, as long as you can imagine it. So I appreciated all the little “weapons”, although maybe they could have come up with more. The music scene with the notes I really liked though.
In the end, the “monster” was reminded of her humanity and did the right choice, but did that make her a hero?
(A statue of Wanda is what I’d like to see here but maybe there is one. My friend chased me out of the cinema before the extra bits so I’ll have to watch them somewhere :upside_down: will be disappointed if they don’t make Wanda a heroine though.)
3 Thoughts After Watching ‘Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness’:
Well, that was dark. That Xavier scene literally made me gasp.
I really enjoyed this MCU entry. Multiverse plot points can often make my head spin, but this was a super straightforward and cohesive story — and it made for an exciting, edge-of-your-seat adventure.
Elizabeth Olsen is one helluva talent. I had no idea that she’d be the main villain of the movie, based on the trailer. She absolutely killed it. Give her her own movie now.
Elizabeth Olsen was the best thing about this movie… which maybe doesn’t say much considering I violently cringed both when the “Illuminati” was introduced and John Krasinski showed up for.. some reason.
The Illuminati was done terribly in this film. I've never seen a group of prominent characters such as these get one-offed the way they did. Just disgusting.
The vertical plot is sincerely quite terrible: the main lead was childish, with the usual American moralism that has fed up by now. More interesting the horizontal plot, which may need the other previous movies to be fully appreciated.
Good for entertainment, but I cannot see a strong difference from other same-genre films, packed with not so intelligent citations and cliches.
Not a fan of Marvel movies particularly, but that was probably the best one I've seen since I started getting free cinema tickets last summer.
Cumberbatch was good, but Olsen was the real star. The grief in those eyes! Remarkable performance.
I watched this in 3D, and only rolled my eyes 5 times during this Marvel madhouse, so that earns it a 'good' rating.
Elizabeth Olsen kicks so much ass as Scarlet Witch, just such a badass villiain! This film really highlights that she is by FAR the most powerful Avenger. Like, DAMN.
I hate that this was an introduction to American Chavez, whose limited comics runs means many probably didn't know before. And even fans like me never knew her as this messy, confused, less powerful, unself-assured pre-teen. It made her more a damsel in distress than the older college-attending, multiverse-punching, highly sarcastic, short-tempered, out lesbian who had 2 lesbian moms intergalactic supreme being superheroine that she is in her comics.
Given all that, I'd say the film title isn't accurate, I want to suggest others more appropriate:
"Scarlet Witch and the Dark Hold" ~ "America - Punch It!" ~ "Dr. Strange (Love) or How I Learned to Roam the Multiverse" ~ "The Power of 2 Lesbian Moms" ~ "Love Trauma Got Us All Here" ~ "Hey, Did That Just Happen?" ~ "Who is Really Supreme?"
Liked the darker edge that the director brought to a superhero movie. Benedict played perfectly.
America Chavez as a character was useless (bad screenwriting or maybe some scene cuts ...)
Scarlet Witch's motivation was just stupid.... and the final moments even stupider :(
Worth seeing it in the cinema.
WandaVision spun such an amazing and intricate tale, and this just tossed it all out the window for the luls. What a waste.
This film was a pretty massive disappointment for me. The plot was a mess, jumping from one contrivance to another in order to manufacture conflict and push things along. At the center of it all, were two of the most eye rolling McGuffins ever brought to the screen: the Darkhold and the Book of Vishanti (i.e. the super evil book and the super good book). McGuffins were always intended to be plot devices that matter only to the characters, not the audience. This film seems to disagree, as it constantly hits us over the head with exposition devoted to these books. And of course, it doesn't help that they are unbelievably nebulous about what they actually do. It's uninspired comic book writing to the absolute max. And don't even get me started on the mindboggling whiplash we get when a virtual extra sacrifices her life to destroy the Darkhold, only to reveal moments later that "lol, no big deal, that was just a copy". This is unbelievably frustrating writing.
The only meaningful new character, America Chavez, is also the victim of frustrating writing. Through most of the movie she is not much more than a McGuffin herself, i.e. if the bad guys were chasing after some magical widget with the power to travel between dimensions, I'm not sure the plot would really have changed that much. They try to solve this with a tragic backstory, but for me it was rushed and ineffective.
Some other miscellaneous critiques: Raimi's horror influence felt forced and out of place. The battle at Kamar-Taj felt like a weak excuse to inject some action, and more critically, that action was a bland, uninspired CGI-fest. Finally, for a movie that references the multiverse in its title, this film really needed to lean into the multiverse more. If Into the Spider-Verse can give us anime Spider-Man, noir Spider-Man, and Looney Tunes Spider-Man, than the MCU should be able to pull out something more creative than what we got here. Because the "big" multiverse payoff in this case was essentially a mid-movie action scene cameo that proved inconsequential to the plot.
All I can say is avoid any and all trailers, it will be worth it. Genuinely love how Marvel is tying up all the shows and movies together, picking up after Wanda Vision and Spiderman: No Way Home you jump right in - Multiverse of Madness is a visual rollercoaster that doesn't pull any punches in the visual effects department and is surely on par with the biggest Marvel movies - I honestly liked this movie more then the first Doctor Strange movie - Loved the twist in the plot and how everything played out, and totally enjoyed the movie - Totally a must see
Sam Raimi created something unique and stylish with this one! I love the horror aspects and you rarely get to breathe once the action starts it never stops until the very end. It went absolute bonkers crazy and a little cringe at times but I think it makes it's charm.
The bad:
The good:
Honestly I'm left kinda empty after watching it. The cameos fly past... the box ticking. It's all vacuous in the end and mostly doesn't make sense. I get it. Sometimes directors want to do go for a cool visual and ditch logic, but at least make an effort. This is mostly tiring to watch. Sam Raimi is a talented director (he made the 2002 Spider-Man) - and before any of that he made The Evil Dead movies - full of comedy horror. Lots of references to that show up in here.
Should you see it? I'd recommend giving it a miss to be honest, or catch it when it hits a streaming service.
The MCU hit its peak with Infinity War and tied that up with End Game.
But the movies and TV shows you are seeing now are long after Disney sunk its claws in and infected the movies/shows from the start. It's not worth saving now.
Remember it as it was.
Really good movie!
The ending could have been better but otherwise 9/10
Underwhelming ending but it's overall a good movie
Sam Raimi is my brother, my father and my son and is to be protected at all costs. I love you Sam Raimi.
The world needed Evil Dead vibes, I loved every single shot in the second half:heart:
Amazing sound & visual, great story. It could have been longer, definitely more horror than Marvel has had upto this.
The third act of this movie is kinda trash.
Bland and too rushed. Infinity War had better pacing.
Benedict Cumberbatch's Doctor Strange is at his weakest in terms of performance here in the MCU.
Elfman's score was good but nothing really felt at home (Possibly the point due to the context of the film but nothing stood out really) besides that one fight scene (you know).
Wanda for me stole the show and I really liked her character in the first two acts. I loved what they showed here.
Then the third act comes and you realize that you've seen this ending before way too much recently.
And I know this is not an exact fair comparison but; Everything Everywhere All At Once does the same thing but much much better because it is given the time to.
This film just needed to be longer and had a possibly better director to take over the job.
The script just did not fit his style I believe.
And no, this movie isn't scary like Kevin hyped it up to be. It's just a bit intense in the imagery it shows with a cheap jump scare here and there.
I am a fan of the direction Marvel is moving with its media, so don't get me wrong on that part as I actually liked Eternals.
This film just rubbed me the wrong way. No doubt a fun flick though.
Enjoy your time in the madness.
5/10
Thank the Lord for Sam Raimi
It was enjoyable. It added more open questions to the MCU. I hope they will bring everything together in the next decade. I doubt Wanda died. She’s the :pound_symbol:1 character in the lineup
Marvel Cinematic Universe
The Infinity Saga
Phase One
Iron Man (2008) https://trakt.tv/movies/iron-man-2008
The incredible Hulk (2008) https://trakt.tv/movies/the-incredible-hulk-2008
Iron Man 2 (2010) https://trakt.tv/movies/iron-man-2-2010
Thor (2011) https://trakt.tv/movies/thor-2011
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) https://trakt.tv/movies/captain-america-the-first-avenger-2011
The Avengers (2012) https://trakt.tv/movies/the-avengers-2012
Phase Two
Iron Man 3 (2013) https://trakt.tv/movies/iron-man-3-2013
Thor: The Dark World (2013) https://trakt.tv/movies/thor-the-dark-world-2013
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) https://trakt.tv/movies/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-2014
Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) https://trakt.tv/movies/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2014
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) https://trakt.tv/movies/avengers-age-of-ultron-2015
Ant-Man (2015) https://trakt.tv/movies/ant-man-2015
Phase Three
Captain America: Civil War (2016) https://trakt.tv/movies/captain-america-civil-war-2016
Doctor Strange (2016) https://trakt.tv/movies/doctor-strange-2016
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) https://trakt.tv/movies/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) https://trakt.tv/movies/spider-man-homecoming-2017
Thor: Ragnarok (2017) https://trakt.tv/movies/thor-ragnarok-2017
Black Panther (2018) https://trakt.tv/movies/black-panther-2018
Avengers: Infinity War (2018) https://trakt.tv/movies/avengers-infinity-war-2018
Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018) https://trakt.tv/movies/ant-man-and-the-wasp-2018
Captain Marvel (2019) https://trakt.tv/movies/captain-marvel-2019
Avengers: Endgame (2019) https://trakt.tv/movies/avengers-endgame-2019
Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) https://trakt.tv/movies/spider-man-far-from-home-2019
Phase Four
Black Widow (2021) https://trakt.tv/movies/black-widow-2021
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) https://trakt.tv/movies/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-2021
Eternals (2021) https://trakt.tv/movies/eternals-2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) https://trakt.tv/movies/spider-man-no-way-home-2021
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) https://trakt.tv/movies/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-2022
Thor: Love and Thunder (2022) https://trakt.tv/movies/thor-love-and-thunder-2022
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) https://trakt.tv/movies/black-panther-wakanda-forever-2022
The Marvels (2023) https://trakt.tv/movies/the-marvels-2023
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 ((2023) https://trakt.tv/movies/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-2023
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023) https://trakt.tv/movies/ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-2023
Fantastic Four https://trakt.tv/movies/fantastic-four
More of the same, including the ideological stupidity. Entertaining but not really good.
The cynical side of me wants to call this Everything, everywhere all at once for consoomers.
The optimistic side of me sees Kevin Feige finally pushing the boundaries of his own franchise.
I guess it’s a little bit of both in the end.
Undoubtedly, the best thing the movie has going for it is the Sam Raiminess of it all. His fingerprints are all over it; you’re getting the weird camera angles, camp, his sense of horror, etc. It definitely has more style than some other Marvel movies, though there's also still some of the usual blandness. I'll give it to Marvel for putting in a scene where a talking corpse gives a heartfelt, sentimental speech. There's more of a psychedelic feel to it than the first film, but every time it tends to get really interesting it feels like Raimi's being reigned it to adhere to Marvel's demands. Elizabeth Olsen and Benedict Cumberbatch are giving some of their best performances as these characters to date, and the music’s really well done. But ultimately the film’s Achilles heel is its own script, which is complete junk. The story is thin, messy, nonsensical, and at times flat out embarrassing. The set-up in the first act is very rushed, while the second and third act feel like they’re written by a Reddit fanpage (you just know for a fact that Marvel only went in this direction because of the 2 Batmen that have been announced for The Flash). It’s Marvel at its most ‘producty’, and it’s going to trick a lot of people into thinking the film is better than it is. Regardless, I hope Patrick Stewart got a big paycheck for ruining his own perfect send-off in Logan at the very least. A lot of the story beats don’t make sense either, with most of the characters arcs feeling rushed and nonsensical, even despite the copious amounts of exposition that are desperately trying to tie everything together. The choices made with Wanda in the third act are baffling, and I still don’t know what the takeaway is supposed to be by the end of the film. Her motivation is problematic in general, and I don’t like the use of the [insert plot device] corrupts the mind of the villain trope, which is becoming very overused in the MCU (Ant-Man, Winter Soldier) and just a lazy way of forcing a conflict where the villain stays redeemable. The new character (America Chavez) is a boring, underdeveloped plot device, while Strange himself doesn't even have a real arc. It's the kind of film where a lot happens, but very little leaves an actual impression. I’m not sure what happened, but I get the impression that a significant portion of this film was reworked and rewritten during post production. The action didn’t impress me whatsoever, but that’s been a case with these films for a while now (some of the stuff in Shang-Chi excluded). Some of the visuals look tacky and unfinished, the action’s a bunch of people shooting flashing lights at each other, shots don’t linger enough, people move like animated characters, it’s all the usual bs (and this is coming from someone who thinks the action and effects in the first one are still underappreciated to this day). Inbetween the first film and the sequel, Marvel has become a machine that’s now collapsing under its own pressure. If Disney would allow it, they really should go back to making 2-3 properties a year. The consistent mediocrity of their current output is killing their own longevity.
4/10
Oh, and your kids will be fine watching this. I’ve seen some uproar about the ‘horror’ and violence of the film, and it’s honestly not that shocking. There’s way more creepy stuff in some of the Harry Potter and Indiana Jones films (or just your average 80’s kids film in general).
You don’t really need to watch what if to understand this but it’ll help. You really do need to see Wanda vision though, you don’t have to but it would be incredibly confusing if you don’t understand wandas motivations as she is the main antagonist
A good film ruined by political correctness and silly writing.
Meh. Felt like more like a Wandavision two part finale. The treatment of the Illuminati was awful. The plot still doesn't make sense. Is Wanda bad or is she the victim or what? She should have been locked in magic prison after her show - she mindraped thousands of people - but whatever, she cries a lot so I guess we should like her again? Claptrap.
The end of the movie was the very first time I agreed with one of Wanda's actions... Good thing it was her last action too.
Can't wait for the next movie!
Everything Everywhere All At Once (2022) did multiverse better.
Multiverse of Madness is Marvel's gateway to so many things they have not done before. This phase is shaping out to be getting away from the generic Marvel formula!
Sam Raimi has straight up created an eerie atmosphere with well designed horror elements and jump scares which in every sense ensures that the Master of the Mystic Arts isn't mentioned just for the sake of it.
Olsen has ensured that Scarlet Witch is the name that scares you now when you look back the earlier phases - what a joy it is to watch her unfold the layers of the one who should rule it all
Another fantastic fast paced - keeping you at edge of the seat - story post Infinity War which weaves aroundm your mind, without having to have a lot of cameos.
I'm waiting for vehement replies to this comment, but this gave me a very bitter taste to the opus so far : what made the force of the first film was left behind in this one : no coherence in the world building (yeah, sure, multiverse), poor and bland scenario, almost no character building (didn't see Wanda vision, so I might be biased here, but prove me wrong)...
The only things that might try to save the film are some very good (yet isolated) realisation ideas, and maybe a lot of references to other external works
Shout by ferretpossumVIP 8BlockedParent2022-05-13T20:01:19Z
Loved it. Sam Raimi's touch, trippy visuals and a satisfying ending. Definitely one of the most unusual and interesting MCU stories.